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  1. #81
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    Defias Traicere
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tev View Post
    Then you're bad at math. Add up the benefits you get from having all the slots on your dungeon gear melded and the benefits from using stat potions properly during fights and the proper food buff and you'd find that having ALL of your slots full is not significantly more than food and potions.
    Your statement wasn't about math.
    You were upset no one took your bait apparently.

    If you'd take the gunk out of your eyes and read.
    You would see that I acknowledged that Raiders often use them.

    I never said they are not beneficial.
    Even then. Having an extremely limited Stat boost for 10 seconds is rarely going to make or break an encounter.
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  2. #82
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    Quote Originally Posted by Defias View Post
    Your statement wasn't about math.
    You were upset no one took your bait apparently.

    If you'd take the gunk out of your eyes and read.
    You would see that I acknowledged that Raiders often use them.

    I never said they are not beneficial.
    Even then. Having an extremely limited Stat boost for 10 seconds is rarely going to make or break an encounter.
    Oh insulting people now are we. Crafters recently had to level their crafters from 50 to 60 to meld again and people like you want to be able to do it for free. Complain all you want it's not happening.
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  3. #83
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    Quote Originally Posted by Defias View Post
    Potions last all of 10 seconds. The Item system is even worse than the Materia system in this game.

    Raiders use them because Savage requires every little boost you can get.
    Also Food is readily available by NPCs. Unlike Melding.
    Food available by NPCs are useless to raiders. Raiders are also the only people who will need to actually slot materia into this gear. Anyone who isn't raiding will not need the stat boost from the gear that was released this patch. Hell, non raiders won't even need the gear released this patch to continue doing what they were doing to begin with, so anything higher is a bonus for them.
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    One thing people need to learn when they play a mmo is there are going to be stuff you don't like to do.

    You either suck it up and do it or you simply don't.

    Almost nothing in the game will require you to have to meld your gear as a DOW/M. Sure Raiders will use them but if you're gonna use it and not level crafters then either ask a friend or level them yourself.
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  5. #85
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    Y'tevinya Tyaka
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    Quote Originally Posted by Defias View Post
    Stuff.
    My statement has everything to do with math. These BONUS stats that have been added to the game are no different than potions or food. If you claim that food or potions will not make or break an encounter NEITHER WILL having these slots melded. They did not lower the stats on gear at all. These slots being available are entirely extra the same way food and potions are; the fact they're on gear is largely irrelevent. Instead of adding materia slots to gear they could have added a long duration potion not mutually exclusive to the short duration stat potions that also stacked with food and it would have been effectively the same and still required crafters to the same degree.

    My point is if you aren't the type of person who bothered with food and stat potions before because you didn't find that bonus to be useful you also shouldn't bother with these melds. They are the SAME type of marginal bonus only required for the highest end content.
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    Warlyx Arada
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tev View Post
    My statement has everything to do with math. These BONUS stats that have been added to the game are no different than potions or food. If you claim that food or potions will not make or break an encounter NEITHER WILL having these slots melded.
    then lets do some math...if u think SE wont take into account the materia slots to balance midas savage or future content.... , 18 materia slots if im not mistaken

    +12 (materia V) x 18 = 216 secondary stats as "bonus? yeah...not gonna happen.

    Oh new gear....bah need to put some materias on it before even use it....Blizzard learned the lesson and removed jewelry sockets from raid gear outside once in a blue moon for that reason (same as reforging) , and lots of enchants too , because is annoying and doesnt add "anything" outside forcing crafters into players and forcing players to enchant , and put jewels , reforge gear playing with ACC all the time (ACC was removed from wow too ) and from FFXIV weapons thanks the twelve.

    the only reason we have materia slots on the new gear is because we asked for it , we wanted to customize the gear........now we can , and we should pay the price for it....
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  7. #87
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    I explicitly said that they are bonuses useful in content like midas savage. And if you are doing content like savage you aren't going to quibble about getting a crafter to meld for you lol.
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    Last edited by Tev; 02-29-2016 at 08:50 AM.

  8. #88
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tev View Post
    I explicitly said that they are bonuses useful in content like midas savage. And if you are doing content like savage you aren't going to quibble about getting a crafter to meld for you lol.
    Sure I am.

    Also, 216 secondary stats is nothing to scoff at in any content. That's about equal to 35 main stat which is about the same as 3 weapon damage. Most people go nuts over that.
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    You're right. They are nothing to scoff at. Yet people in average content still do not use food or use the equivalent to an extra DPS cooldown 2-3 times a fight. SE does not require you to have these things to clear any content under savage. These melds are the same type of bonus. If you want the bonus take the small effort to acquire them. I know I am.
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    Kaurie Lorhart
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tev View Post
    You're right. They are nothing to scoff at. Yet people in average content still do not use food or use the equivalent to an extra DPS cooldown 2-3 times a fight. SE does not require you to have these things to clear any content under savage. These melds are the same type of bonus. If you want the bonus take the small effort to acquire them. I know I am.
    Food is nowhere near as important as 216 secondary stats, it's also incredibly expensive. That price is why people don't use it in DF. If it was free, I'd use it all the time.

    I am taking the small amount of effort to do it. I can do something while simultaneously thinking it's stupid.
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