Raid 24 and incredible bad choice for the additional loot.

[silentwindfr]

since the 3.2 the additional loot in the raid 24, understand minion and orchestrion roll and into the 4th chest, means you must rand against 23 people for get it. it will be ok, if and i say if.... it was not possible to sell this item to the AH.

i feel this loot must be inclued into the last chest per group, not for the whole raid. and i fail to understand why the roll that are personal loot in every other content are there a chest reward for 24 player rand. especially if you take in account that some song need to be obtain 2 times in CT 1-2-3.

[Ragology]

I've heard that people roll on ponies even when they already have them. It would probably be the same here. At least keeping them sellable means you can buy them off the market board eventually, and hopefully for cheap.

[silentwindfr]

you really think that people will sell it for cheap? i doubt it greatly. so far that was the worst decision they did make in the whole 3.x series.

[Ashelia_Ferron]

I've heard that people roll on ponies even when they already have them. It would probably be the same here. At least keeping them sellable means you can buy them off the market board eventually, and hopefully for cheap.

You actually can't do that. If you already have a pony and try to roll, it'll mention something about "Unable to roll on already acquired untradeable Mount" or something.

[RiceisNice]

I've heard that people roll on ponies even when they already have them. It would probably be the same here. At least keeping them sellable means you can buy them off the market board eventually, and hopefully for cheap.

This was the case initially. Sometime in 2.5 I think they made it so you can't roll on minions and mounts that you already have and that said item is untradable. Before that, I've seen a couple of ponies and nightmare gone to people who already had it

[SokiYagami]

since the 3.2 the additional loot in the raid 24, understand minion and orchestrion roll and into the 4th chest, means you must rand against 23 people for get it. it will be ok, if and i say if.... it was not possible to sell this item to the AH.

i feel this loot must be inclued into the last chest per group, not for the whole raid. and i fail to understand why the roll that are personal loot in every other content are there a chest reward for 24 player rand. especially if you take in account that some song need to be obtain 2 times in CT 1-2-3.

Not going to comment on the minion stuff, but rather the Orchestrion Roll from the tower series.

1. You DO NOT need to roll against 23 players, only 7 players from your party.
2. I've saw the final boss chest dropping up to two Orchestrion Roll from the same chest, but the drop rate is not 100% so most of the time there's no Orchestrion Roll in it.
3. You need NOT TWO, BUT FREAKING THREE Orchestrion Roll from each of the towers (CT/ST/WoD).

Couple with hours long queue, it's really (pardon my language) fk'ed up situation. Queuing for hours and having nothing to show. At least the other 8 mans can be farm rather quickly if you manage to form a decent team, or in worst case are still accessible via duty finder. Towers? Good luck forming an alliance of 24 players to get in there. And before anyone mentioned about helping the new players, I did join a carry party for a new player for CT last night. Queue run for close to two hours before it disband. And most of the time when I managed to get into either towers in the past two days doesn't have new player bonus message either. So go figure.

[Zhao_Yun]

Yeah, I don't see myself getting 9 rolls out of Tower, especially since people can always roll again even if they already have it. They should have made it a 100% drop as the minions and even then it would be still difficult enough to get.

[Gunspec]

They need to chop up the old towers into individual bosses and put them in trial roulette. As much as it would suck to not be able to run the towers in their original format through random duty finder, you pretty much already have that situation. They can make the optional 4th chest randomly spawn on all 4 bosses of each tower, so you don't have people just spamming the last boss.

I would love to finish one or two of my Syrcus Tower glamour sets, but waiting for an hour on a specific class (so I can roll need), just for the group to fall apart before we reach my boss, only to reach the boss on my third attempt and not see the loot drop... Crystal tower is just a waste of time as it is now, adding new items to last boss won't help.

[Felis]

They need to chop up the old towers into individual bosses and put them in trial 24 man roulette.

i fixed it a bit

[Gunspec]

i fixed it a bit

24-man raids take far longer than any other roulette, and have a much higher chance of breaking apart mid-run due to an enormous variety of factors. What type of daily bonus could they possibly put in that would make that time requirement appealing? They wouldn't make it more rewarding than expert dungeons in terms of tomes, because that would completely invalidate the purpose of adding new dungeons each patch.

No one runs 24 mans because they are long, unpredictable, and the time investment (not just for the queue) balances poorly with the odds of getting the minion or glamour you want off a boss. None of these factors would change with the addition of a 24-man roulette, so they would remain as dead as they are.

Chopping them up and putting them into trial roulette, although disappointing, is the only way to make sure that a person who wants to fight a certain boss will be able to do so repeatedly with a reasonable waiting time. As they are now, they are essentially 4 trial roulettes + trash, back to back to back to back. People don't have time or patience for that, thus they are dead.