Bitter White Mages

[Cyrocco]

I don't see how using Diurnal when you're paired with a White Mage is bad at all, in fact, it's a completely different set of circumstances. Nocturnal completely cancels Adloquium, which is awful because Adloquium is so much stronger. Diurnal has absolutely no effect on a White Mage's skills and the Regen even stacks. Besides, MP management is so much easier when you're using Diurnal just because you don't have to heal as often, while in Nocturnal those shields shatter within the next move or so.

[Fyce]

Nocturnal completely cancels Adloquium, which is awful because Adloquium is so much stronger.

Is it?
Adloquium is 300 potency and shield for 100%. Meaning 300 potency shield.
Nocturnal Aspected Benefic is 262 potency and 130% shield (accounting the Nocturnal 5% bonus). Meaning 340 potency shield.

As I see it, Adlo heals ~40 potency more but AB shield is ~40 potency stronger (which is better in the situation you're talking about).

Are my maths completly wrong on this one or are people underestimating Nocturnal Aspected Benefic's power?

Obviously, I'm not talking about a lucky crit from Adloquium, which completly crushes AB, no question about it...
But let's also not forget that AB is instant cast, which is a very handy thing too.

[Ghishlain]

Is it?
Adloquium is 300 potency and shield for 100%. Meaning 300 potency shield.
Nocturnal Aspected Benefic is 262 potency and 130% shield (accounting the Nocturnal 5% bonus). Meaning 340 potency shield.

As I see it, Adlo heals ~40 potency more but AB shield is ~40 potency stronger (which is better in the situation you're talking about).

Are my maths completly wrong on this one or are people underestimating Nocturnal Aspected Benefic's power?

Obviously, I'm not talking about a lucky crit from Adloquium, which completly crushes AB, no question about it...
But let's also not forget that AB is instant cast, which is a very handy thing too.

Unfortunately, a lot of players lack the raid awareness to realize there has been a Crit Adlo, let alone a Crit Adlo that has been Deployed to the entire group in lieu of a big raid hit. Nothing is more frustrating to have that overridden with an Aspected Benefic / Helios when you popped a lot of resources to make it happen. Best to avoid the potential conflict in general, I think.

[Ragology]

Unfortunately, a lot of players lack the raid awareness to realize there has been a Crit Adlo, let alone a Crit Adlo that has been Deployed to the entire group in lieu of a big raid hit. Nothing is more frustrating to have that overridden with an Aspected Benefic / Helios when you popped a lot of resources to make it happen. Best to avoid the potential conflict in general, I think.

Is there any way to tell that a person is wearing a crit aldo?

[BloodPact]

Is there any way to tell that a person is wearing a crit aldo?

No. Your only options are the flying text or the logs, I think. Your best bet, in my opinion, is to watch out for the whole party getting galvanized and you not seeing the Succor animations. That probably means the Scholar recognized a critical heal and used Deployment Tactics.

[_slowpoke_]

That probably means the Scholar recognized a critical heal and used Deployment Tactics.

Deployment Tactics isn't randomly used with a fight just because you had a Critdlo, ever. First of all, the group must be pretty closely stacked for DT, and secondly, it's often used for specific mechanics which cause heavy spike damage, such as the Ultimates in pretty much every Primal fight, and especially for the latter, the deployed Adlo is usually buffed severely by being cast on a WAR in Defiance popping Convalescence, for 5-7k shields on the whole group without crits (I've seen 14k shields from Critdlos being deployed in Thordan Ex) - which you never rely on. I don't think you can reach this level of shielding even with a crit N.AH under Synastry.

I really don't dislike Nocturnal Sect. In fact, I want to like it very badly. But it doesn't replace a SCH, and likely never will.

[Ghishlain]

Is there any way to tell that a person is wearing a crit aldo?

Not really, to be honest raid awareness is probably the wrong word to use. Given the amount of chaos that normally ensues in any given fight, unless you're on a voice chat program with said SCH its probably best in general to avoid Nocturnal AST when paired with a SCH to prevent any ire.

[Fyce]

Unfortunately, a lot of players lack the raid awareness to realize there has been a Crit Adlo, let alone a Crit Adlo that has been Deployed to the entire group in lieu of a big raid hit. Nothing is more frustrating to have that overridden with an Aspected Benefic / Helios when you popped a lot of resources to make it happen. Best to avoid the potential conflict in general, I think.

Oh yeah, of course. This situation is exactly the one which makes me want that the shield effect should only be replaced if the new one provides more shield.

But whatever the case, I wouldn't want to run in Nocturnal with a SCH anyway (except maybe for very specific cases where my raid healer (SCH) would want me to... but as you said, that require raid awareness). I was just comparing Adlo and N.AB.

Is there any way to tell that a person is wearing a crit aldo?

Only at the very moment when the big green crit number is displayed on the screen. Otherwise, no. The buff icon isn't different and nothing else would tell you.
Even the SCH himself can completly miss that he did a crit Adlo if he didn't pay attention to his own number.