Bitter White Mages

[FoxyAreku]

Really? I never use noct with scholars and I've never been told anything. I just use the opposite of what the other healer is using, hot's or shields. If that is wrong then I learned something new.

Questionable wording, they were saying you will see bitter scholars instead if you use noct with a scholar.

[Cyrocco]

I don't see how using Diurnal when you're paired with a White Mage is bad at all, in fact, it's a completely different set of circumstances. Nocturnal completely cancels Adloquium, which is awful because Adloquium is so much stronger. Diurnal has absolutely no effect on a White Mage's skills and the Regen even stacks. Besides, MP management is so much easier when you're using Diurnal just because you don't have to heal as often, while in Nocturnal those shields shatter within the next move or so.

[Fyce]

Nocturnal completely cancels Adloquium, which is awful because Adloquium is so much stronger.

Is it?
Adloquium is 300 potency and shield for 100%. Meaning 300 potency shield.
Nocturnal Aspected Benefic is 262 potency and 130% shield (accounting the Nocturnal 5% bonus). Meaning 340 potency shield.

As I see it, Adlo heals ~40 potency more but AB shield is ~40 potency stronger (which is better in the situation you're talking about).

Are my maths completly wrong on this one or are people underestimating Nocturnal Aspected Benefic's power?

Obviously, I'm not talking about a lucky crit from Adloquium, which completly crushes AB, no question about it...
But let's also not forget that AB is instant cast, which is a very handy thing too.

[Ghishlain]

Is it?
Adloquium is 300 potency and shield for 100%. Meaning 300 potency shield.
Nocturnal Aspected Benefic is 262 potency and 130% shield (accounting the Nocturnal 5% bonus). Meaning 340 potency shield.

As I see it, Adlo heals ~40 potency more but AB shield is ~40 potency stronger (which is better in the situation you're talking about).

Are my maths completly wrong on this one or are people underestimating Nocturnal Aspected Benefic's power?

Obviously, I'm not talking about a lucky crit from Adloquium, which completly crushes AB, no question about it...
But let's also not forget that AB is instant cast, which is a very handy thing too.

Unfortunately, a lot of players lack the raid awareness to realize there has been a Crit Adlo, let alone a Crit Adlo that has been Deployed to the entire group in lieu of a big raid hit. Nothing is more frustrating to have that overridden with an Aspected Benefic / Helios when you popped a lot of resources to make it happen. Best to avoid the potential conflict in general, I think.

[Ragology]

Unfortunately, a lot of players lack the raid awareness to realize there has been a Crit Adlo, let alone a Crit Adlo that has been Deployed to the entire group in lieu of a big raid hit. Nothing is more frustrating to have that overridden with an Aspected Benefic / Helios when you popped a lot of resources to make it happen. Best to avoid the potential conflict in general, I think.

Is there any way to tell that a person is wearing a crit aldo?

[BloodPact]

Is there any way to tell that a person is wearing a crit aldo?

No. Your only options are the flying text or the logs, I think. Your best bet, in my opinion, is to watch out for the whole party getting galvanized and you not seeing the Succor animations. That probably means the Scholar recognized a critical heal and used Deployment Tactics.

[Ghishlain]

Is there any way to tell that a person is wearing a crit aldo?

Not really, to be honest raid awareness is probably the wrong word to use. Given the amount of chaos that normally ensues in any given fight, unless you're on a voice chat program with said SCH its probably best in general to avoid Nocturnal AST when paired with a SCH to prevent any ire.

[Fyce]

Unfortunately, a lot of players lack the raid awareness to realize there has been a Crit Adlo, let alone a Crit Adlo that has been Deployed to the entire group in lieu of a big raid hit. Nothing is more frustrating to have that overridden with an Aspected Benefic / Helios when you popped a lot of resources to make it happen. Best to avoid the potential conflict in general, I think.

Oh yeah, of course. This situation is exactly the one which makes me want that the shield effect should only be replaced if the new one provides more shield.

But whatever the case, I wouldn't want to run in Nocturnal with a SCH anyway (except maybe for very specific cases where my raid healer (SCH) would want me to... but as you said, that require raid awareness). I was just comparing Adlo and N.AB.

Is there any way to tell that a person is wearing a crit aldo?

Only at the very moment when the big green crit number is displayed on the screen. Otherwise, no. The buff icon isn't different and nothing else would tell you.
Even the SCH himself can completly miss that he did a crit Adlo if he didn't pay attention to his own number.

[Dyvid]

Well one thing to remember when comparing Diurnal and Nocturnal. Yes shields are nice and if I heal for 2000 then it's a 2600 barrier. On the other hand Diurnal regen is 1100 a tick for 18s. So more healing without having to recast. Diurnal also gives AST a 5% Attack speed buff which is better for dps than a 5% healing buff that Nocturnal does. As much as we want Noct to be good paired with WHM it's really not.

[Igneel]

I may sound bias because I'm a White mage myself, but usually it's the Scholars when I go into full party or raids who are bossy and rude.