Potential future astrologian tweaks.

[Anyendryyl]

First let me say I love my class. Very much. Unfortunately me loving it doesn't make everyone else. The main complaints I hear are less range for helios(aspected). And of course not enough dps.

For the range issue...what if we could "throw" our helios. To emanate from our target instead of ourselves. Keep the range, potency etc. Just make it act like an expanded card. So that we could stand in the middle of say....a4, and during nisi throw a helios on the tank and hit everyone while staying out of range of passing the debuff. Just an idea...but it also gives us something unique that the other healers don't get.

For the dps...that's harder. But an idea someone had...what if we let celestial opposition act like bane? And pass our dots to nearby enemies? Or even just a simple rework of spear. To reduce the cool down of abilities ALREADY ON COOLDOWN. That wouldn't do much to help our dps, but it would help overall raid dps.

Again, just ideas. Don't kill me. Thoughts?

[Dyvid]

Well DPS should be increased via Card buffs. I did SSS Bismark EX and with The Balance Extended and a arrow I really didn't see a difference. Maybe a few seconds off non card test run.

[Kabzy]

I'm not going to kill you, but really?! The only healer to get buffs and you're already asking for more? Can you please justify why Astrologians should get more DPS when it has nothing to do with their primary role and SE are even clearly trying to move away from that. Just look at tanks right now.

No they do not need more DPS, and ranged heals are always 15y, only Medica 2 is the exception. Can we let White Mages retain something at least? The job is fine and you don't need absolutely everything on it, that's when imbalances occur.

[SecretCrowds]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ologian-tweaks

Why make another thread?

[Anyendryyl]

I'm not going to kill you, but really?! The only healer to get buffs and you're already asking for more? Can you please justify why Astrologians should get more DPS when it has nothing to do with their primary role and SE are even clearly trying to move away from that. Just look at tanks right now.

No they do not need more DPS, and ranged heals are always 15y, only Medica 2 is the exception. Can we let White Mages retain something at least? The job is fine and you don't need absolutely everything on it, that's when imbalances occur.

I said I like it as is...But I get told "eww, astro...no. You can't do progression...wait til it's on farm" and a lot of people want it to have more....those were just ideas.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

I said I like it as is...But I get told "eww, astro...no. You can't do progression...wait til it's on farm" and a lot of people want it to have more....those were just ideas.

Meanwhile a few hours earlier with me on Astrologian: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post3590775

[Anyendryyl]

Thanks for posting that. I never had any doubts that astro could do it. Just shit people and the prejudices. Anyjew, thanks again.

[Ghishlain]

If anyone is not taking an AST over a WHM because of "previous stigma", then they don't realize how much AST has changed since it's release. Both WHM and AST have very comparable kits now. In fact, in my own personal view, the latest string of buffs would put AST ahead of WHM for a progression group. I feel AST now has better MP management than WHM, have DPS spells that do not require Accuracy, can buff their group DPS, and output a very similar level of healing as a WHM.

[Kabzy]

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Agree with this completely. The groups that the OP has approached clearly have no clue about healing in end game. I personally thought AST was the best main healer pre-patch, so now there's even less doubt in my mind. They can do everything a WHM can and still buff on top of that. Yes WHM still has the 'strongest' heals, but when raids aren't requiring them it makes that advantage completely obsolete.

[DarkmoonVael]

Agree with this completely. The groups that the OP has approached clearly have no clue about healing in end game. I personally thought AST was the best main healer pre-patch, so now there's even less doubt in my mind. They can do everything a WHM can and still buff on top of that. Yes WHM still has the 'strongest' heals, but when raids aren't requiring them it makes that advantage completely obsolete.

It depends which healer slot they are going for. If its the main healer/whm/diurnal astrologian slot then the people saying "lol ast" are idiots. If its the nocturnal astrologian/sch slot then well thats another story. I am busy trying out nocturnal astrologian and sch in the current raid content (after raiding as sch from 2.0-3.1) and can quite honestly say that healing is never and issue with N.AST, but the expected dps output of the non-whm healer is still a little lacking.

Also OP, AST range is a non issue. Medica II radius is an exception, not a rule.