Black Mage Sanctuary - A Guide to DPS

[FunkyBunch]

re: the above sharp-f1 scenario, is it the same kind of scenario for sharp-f1-eno from the original guide? I don't really know how to calculate the math but is it essentially saying go from ui3 to af1 (f1 cast) and cast 2x f4 in Af1 before f3p brings you to af3 and then continue? and that is more potency than going into af3 first? I'm not doubting it if that is the case, it is just not something ever considered trying and I wanted to clarify the example in my head.

Let's find out together!

First Rotation: (assumes you have to start with UI w/ no PIE buff)
F3(120)-F4(504)-F4(504)-F1(324)-F4(504)-F4(504)-B3(240)=2700 potency
Second Rotation (same assumption)
F1(90)-F4(420)-F4(420)-F3P(360)-F4(504)-F4(504)-F4(504)-B3(240)=3042 potency

Counter Intuitively, to me anyway, it seems better to AF1 the first two F4s than to start with F3. I'm not going to calculate PPS.

[Tsilyi]

hm...thanks! that is very interesting and informative

[Mercutial]

nevermind****

[Lelila38]

sry to have confused you, of course I do not cast my F4s without AF3 buff, I simply forgot to type the first F3 in my rotation. I'll edit my post above to fix this.

[FunkyBunch]

Let's find out together!

First Rotation: (assumes you have to start with UI w/ no PIE buff)
F3(120)-F4(504)-F4(504)-F1(324)-F4(504)-F4(504)-B3(240)=2700 potency
Second Rotation (same assumption)
F1(90)-F4(420)-F4(420)-F3P(360)-F4(504)-F4(504)-F4(504)-B3(240)=3042 potency

Counter Intuitively, to me anyway, it seems better to AF1 the first two F4s than to start with F3. I'm not going to calculate PPS.

sry to have confused you, of course I do not cast my F4s without AF3 buff, I simply forgot to type the first F3 in my rotation. I'll edit my post above to fix this.

Ahh let's try again then:

First Rotation: (assumes you have to start with UI w/ no PIE buff)
F3(120)-F1(324)-F4(504)-F4(504)-F3P(360)-F4(504)-F4(504)-B3(240)=3060 potency
Second Rotation (same assumption)
F1(090)-F4(420)-F4(420)-F3P(360)-F4(504)-F4(504)-F4(504)-B3(240)=3042 potency

Shoot and we were so close too ;_; Basically it doesn't matter, but the former is superior. I'm sad we experimented and didn't find a better non-Ley Lines "opener".
We still have enough time for one more spell, it's just too bad there's no MP to use it.

[Waliel]

F1(090)-F4(420)-F4(420)-F3P(360)-F4(504)-F4(504)-F4(504)-B3(240)=3042 potency

AF1 F4 is 392, AF1 F3 336 is and UI3(?) F1 is 126. That wouldn't work anyway, as F1 puts you at a neutral state from any UI.

Refresher:
UI1 - 32% mana regen, -10% fire damage, -50% fire mana costs
UI2 - 47% mana regen, -20% fire damage, -75% fire mana costs
UI3 - 62% mana regen, -30% fire damage, -75% fire mana costs, +100% fire cast speed

AF1 - 0% mana regen, -10% ice damage, -50% ice mana costs, +40% fire damage, + 100% fire mana costs
AF2 - 0% mana regen, -20% ice damage, -75% ice mana costs, +60% fire damage, + 100% fire mana costs
AF3 - 0% mana regen, -30% ice damage, -75% ice mana costs, +80% fire damage, + 100% fire mana costs, +100% ice cast speed

B1, B2, F1 and F2 returns you to neutral first from their opposite states of any size. F3, B3 and Flare always give full stack.

[StouterTaru]

Ahh let's try again then:

First Rotation: (assumes you have to start with UI w/ no PIE buff)
F3(120)-F1(324)-F4(504)-F4(504)-F3P(360)-F4(504)-F4(504)-B3(240)=3060 potency
Second Rotation (same assumption)
F1(090)-F4(420)-F4(420)-F3P(360)-F4(504)-F4(504)-F4(504)-B3(240)=3042 potency

2nd rotation wouldn't work, casting F1 in UI doesn't put you in AF1.

[FunkyBunch]

AF1 F4 is 392, AF1 F3 336 is and UI3(?) F1 is 126. That wouldn't work anyway, as F1 puts you at a neutral state from any UI.

Refresher:
UI1 - 30% mana regen, -10% fire damage, -50% fire mana costs
UI2 - 45% mana regen, -20% fire damage, -75% fire mana costs
UI3 - 60% mana regen, -30% fire damage, -75% fire mana costs, +100% fire cast speed

AF1 - 0% mana regen, -10% ice damage, -50% ice mana costs, +40% fire damage, + 100% fire mana costs
AF2 - 0% mana regen, -20% ice damage, -75% ice mana costs, +60% fire damage, + 100% fire mana costs
AF3 - 0% mana regen, -30% ice damage, -75% ice mana costs, +80% fire damage, + 100% fire mana costs, +100% ice cast speed

B1, B2, F1 and F2 returns you to neutral first from their opposite states of any size. F3, B3 and Flare always give full stack.

Oh, I'm dumb. Also your post should be stickied as it's the only one place I've ever been able to find this information.
Except we could transpose but that would take new calculations with MP costs.
Is AF1 only 40%? I thought it was 50%. The 80% AF3 I used.
Also UI3 I thought was -50% fire damage. But there's nowhere in the game to actually verify the percentages of any of the UI or AF that I can find..

[FunkyBunch]

First Rotation: (assumes you have to start with UI w/ no PIE buff)
F3(168)-F1(324)-F4(504)-F4(504)-F3P(360)-F4(504)-F4(504)-B3(240)=3108 potency
Second Rotation (same assumption, but start with Transpose)
F1(252)-F4(448)-F4(448)-F3P(384)-F4(504)-F4(504)-F4(504)-B3(240)=3298 potency if there's enough MP to do it. But it'll be close I think. With a PIE buff you might be able to do it.

[Waliel]

Should work. With PIE buff, I'm able to do FS F4 F4 F1 F4 F4 F4 B3 and have some 100 odd mana left. Quickly looking at that without any exceling, it could be better with instant mana tick, but worse if you have to wait for one. Transpose alone adds almost a second to the rotation, and if you're not at full mana, it instantly falls apart. Seems too unreliable.

Also, AF1-F1 is 252. The spell goes off before you get the buff, unless something broke with the timer adjustements this patch gave us.