Why should warriors get a free pass to all savage content?

[Jpec07]

Stuff

say what mate ?

(still looking for a AS4 early clear but I'm sure I'll find one) (edit : here goes )

No class is essential. Ever. Sheeps just must learn how not to jump on the band waggons. And learn that world first race doesn't mean anything when it comes to regular dungeons, or even regular raiding. No PLD would ever be able to find a group anymore if that was the case

Well I'll be damned. I may be a snarky, obstinate bastard sometimes, but at least I can recognize when I've been proven wrong (usually). I was formulating my own opinion based on the numerous times in these forums that I've seen people saying how raid comps without WAR were nowhere to be found in the early savage clears.

I still think WAR needs a nerf, but the situation is very evidently not as dire as I'd been lead to believe.

EDIT: I just realized circumstantial evidence is circumstantial, and that this basically does not change the trend. I don't play WAR, and I only started raiding after I got over a 200 average iLvl, so the massive body of evidence suggests that anyone who played a WAR was basically a shoe-in for a raid is more than enough basis for me to say that there is definitely a problem, whether in how the community perceives WAR, or in how much more performant WAR actually is.

EDIT 2: Also, the fourth example you found is from mid October. That hardly counts as "early months."

[Syzygian]

say what mate ?

Inspiring. You know those PLDs/DRKs were unspeakable badasses.

[Kaeoni]

Anyone else think of "Check My Privilege" after reading the thread title? No? Just me? Ok...

D=

[SpookyGhost]

That A3S vid is pretty wild. An AST, 2 DRKs, 3 magic DPS, no Ninja, and no BRD/MCH. Madness.

e: AST + WHM as well... truly blowing my mind.

[Duelle]

say what mate ?

(still looking for a AS4 early clear but I'm sure I'll find one) (edit : here goes)

This is giving me flashbacks to that blood elf ret that kept posting his parses near the end of TBC to try to convince the collective 6,000,000 other people that played WoW that ret was capable of decent numbers and should be brought to sunwell as DPS. The joke was on him because it took Nihilum (the top guild in the world at the time) bringing one ret to Brutallus (and that was only because of Sanctity Aura and Judgment refresh via Crusader Strike) for raiding guilds to care about what was a joke spec to the other 6,000,000 people that played WoW.

In short, you're trying to prop your arguments on the exception to the rule rather than looking into why the masses have not taken to dropping a WAR for the other two tanks in a raid comp. And "lulz becuz t3hr sh3epz" isn't a valid argument. Trends form because of how design nudges and shape player behavior.

[Galgarion]

Advertising, maybe? Food for thought: Despite their high damage and fantastic utility, warriors are ridiculosly unpopular even though they're basically the game's masot. If they didn't have their toolset, would you ever see one being played?

[Syzygian]

warriors are ridiculosly unpopular

[Galgarion]

snark

Speak english, not meme. The most recent polling official or otherwise has them at around 7.5% of the total playerbase. For everything a warrior can do, they should be flavor of the year, not month; So yeah, ridiculously underplayed. Expect to see an explosion in Dark Knights in the next poll. People play what looks cool, not what's practical.

[Kuwagami]

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To be honest, I was getting desperate to find a AS4 kill and got lucky with this one. It truly is an exception, and AS4 remains done at 99% with a war, at least on video. My point was just that the WAR is NOT compulsory, and it is proven

As for the AS4 video date, it's just one month after world first so I counted it as early clear.
@your edit : of course the masses will take a war. Because they see that that top raiders take mostly wars and then mimick it without understanding why, or even without the need of it because they utterly overgear the content. But thing is, PLD was horrible for savage. Not useless (you never are), but the low dps when facing the absurd dps checks of AS3/AS4 was so horrible that almost every normal group switched to DRK + WAR because it was easier. Then months later, even if the gear is now good enough to bring PLDs back in without being unnecessary harder in the dps checks for the masses, people still don't, because they still don't think that they can do without WAR. Doesn't mean that they're right though.


@Duelle :
What the masses do is never an indication of what the truth is. It just shows a part of the truth seen through tainted glasses. Best examble I can think of is in Dofus where most classes were deemed bad for a very long time by the community vecause there were 2 god tier classes. It took around 5 years to my knowledge for people to accept that alternative classes/builds were not bad, and nowadays everyone and their mother is running one of these alternative builds.

[Ironos]

Speak english, not meme. The most recent polling official or otherwise has them at around 7.5% of the total playerbase. For everything a warrior can do, they should be flavor of the year, not month; So yeah, ridiculously underplayed. Expect to see an explosion in Dark Knights in the next poll. People play what looks cool, not what's practical.

True, WAR may represent a small percentage of the community, but you also have to consider the even smaller percentage who does content that actually matters what Job(s) you bring. If you looked at just the Savage population alone, I'm rather confident that WAR number would be much higher.