Goodbye strength tanks. Let us never be forgotten.

[Vele]

Honestly I think my biggest concern with the str to vit change is the amount of tanks I'll come across who haven't switched because they didn't read the patch notes. I've come across a fair number of players who say "I never read patch notes, I prefer discovering everything myself"... sometimes they are the same people who say "Hunh, there's an event going on? I didn't know that, where do you start?" which leads me to believe they never look at the main site.

[TheUltimateSeph]

I'm gonna agree with everything Gyson said here and add my own two cents. Even if tank dps was the most awesome mitigation and cut run times in half (which it doesn't) I would still argue that it's bad because it's unbalanced as hell. I think SE thinks dps tanks are "bad" possibly for this reason too if they are nerfing the damage tanks will do overall. Tanks should be tanking. If they are encroaching on the realm of dps class damage output something is broken. This may allow for faster clears and make people happy but in the end something being broken is bad. I hope they nerf healers next somehow and get the trinity back to basics. If anything healers should be able to do their dps through buffs to the actual dps classes, same with tanks except maybe in the form of debuffs to the enemy.

[rjspencer4]

Honestly I think my biggest concern with the str to vit change is the amount of tanks I'll come across who haven't switched because they didn't read the patch notes. I've come across a fair number of players who say "I never read patch notes, I prefer discovering everything myself"... sometimes they are the same people who say "Hunh, there's an event going on? I didn't know that, where do you start?" which leads me to believe they never look at the main site.

The amount of healers and dps who haven't read about it also warrants concern, I shudder to think how many tanks will be insulted or votekicked for following the change.

[Odett]

Honestly I think my biggest concern with the str to vit change is the amount of tanks I'll come across who haven't switched because they didn't read the patch notes. I've come across a fair number of players who say "I never read patch notes, I prefer discovering everything myself"... sometimes they are the same people who say "Hunh, there's an event going on? I didn't know that, where do you start?" which leads me to believe they never look at the main site.

It would be harder to notice as a DRK or PLD if you're completely oblivious, but any self-respecting WAR will take 10 seconds to realize when they use Fell Cleave and IRL punch a hole through the nearest wall after they get over the shock of how little they hit for with full STR. Let's be honest here, if you're not keeping your eyes peeled for dat Fell Cleave crit, you're doing something wrong.

[Ragnorak]

I'm gonna agree with everything Gyson said here and add my own two cents. Even if tank dps was the most awesome mitigation and cut run times in half (which it doesn't) I would still argue that it's bad because it's unbalanced as hell. I think SE thinks dps tanks are "bad" possibly for this reason too if they are nerfing the damage tanks will do overall. Tanks should be tanking. If they are encroaching on the realm of dps class damage output something is broken. This may allow for faster clears and make people happy but in the end something being broken is bad. I hope they nerf healers next somehow and get the trinity back to basics. If anything healers should be able to do their dps through buffs to the actual dps classes, same with tanks except maybe in the form of debuffs to the enemy.

They arent nerfing Tank damage tho... Just moving it to VIT instead of STR... Also bad dps get out dps'd by a tank... Thats not the tanks fault/problem thats a dps player problem/fault

[Ninster]

The amount of healers and dps who haven't read about it also warrants concern, I shudder to think how many tanks will be insulted or votekicked for following the change.

I leveled my tanks full VIT to 60 and not once was anything said about it. Well, okay, and one STR ring once HW hit and this mess started.

And I don't even main a tank.

[Vaer]

Honestly I think my biggest concern with the str to vit change is the amount of tanks I'll come across who haven't switched because they didn't read the patch notes. I've come across a fair number of players who say "I never read patch notes, I prefer discovering everything myself"... sometimes they are the same people who say "Hunh, there's an event going on? I didn't know that, where do you start?" which leads me to believe they never look at the main site.

They have a sort of messaging system they use for stuff like housing where it pops up a box that tells you some info about stuff they added (IIRC it popped up for personal housing and subdivision implementation if you zoned into a housing area after the patches) but it only shows up once. I doubt they will use that for this though but would be an easy way to communicate.

[Arrius]

Good thing, the change.

Still, amazed they didn't dumped WAR with nerfs, given that their kit is still vastly OP compared to a DRK and PLD.

[Odett]

I'm gonna agree with everything Gyson said here and add my own two cents. Even if tank dps was the most awesome mitigation and cut run times in half (which it doesn't) I would still argue that it's bad because it's unbalanced as hell. I think SE thinks dps tanks are "bad" possibly for this reason too if they are nerfing the damage tanks will do overall. Tanks should be tanking. If they are encroaching on the realm of dps class damage output something is broken. This may allow for faster clears and make people happy but in the end something being broken is bad. I hope they nerf healers next somehow and get the trinity back to basics. If anything healers should be able to do their dps through buffs to the actual dps classes, same with tanks except maybe in the form of debuffs to the enemy.

So you're going to agree with the opinion of a player who is objectively wrong on what they're arguing due to misinformation? Tank DPS doesn't cut run times in half, let's not exaggerate here, but neither does it cut it by less than 5% like Gyson said. Tanks are in a very good spot right now, but the job is not inherently broken. I would call the job broken if ANYONE could touch a tank and be really good at it. It takes a very high skill ceiling to squeeze everything you can out of a tank, mitigate correctly, and have high DPS. If you try to do any of that while not knowing how to play your job, you will seriously crash and burn, and if you want proof of that, look at the very horrible STR tanks out there.

If they are encroaching on the realm of dps class damage output something is broken

That statement is very inaccurate and I will explain why. A good tank will encroach on the realm of a poor dps player, but you can't use a good player vs. bad player as your basis of comparison for obvious reasons. If you're going to mention what a good tank can do, then you should compare them to a DPS of equal skill level, which would be more accurate. A good tank will not DPS close to a good pure DPS job.

I can somewhat understand where you're coming from with your "nerf" argument, and it is true that a good tank and a good healer can pull off soloing feats that a good DPS could never do, but I would argue that dumbing the system down is not the answer. I would not like this game to be "reduced back to basics" in order to bring down people who can squeeze the most out of their jobs to the level of people who only care about doing the bare minimum.

Good thing, the change.

Still, amazed they didn't dumped WAR with nerfs, given that their kit is still vastly OP compared to a DRK and PLD.

I'm glad. WAR is an extremely-well designed job and if anything, the devs should work on getting DRK (DRK not as much as it's already very very strong, PLD DEFINITELY) and PLD up to its level instead of bringing WAR down to the other 2 tanks' levels. Doing so would be the lazy way out from a development standpoint. I recall Yoshida stating that they were using WAR as their baseline for adjusting the other tanks, and I am very glad that's how they're approaching this issue.

[FeliAiko]

Shouldn't be hard to inform those who didn't read the patch notes on the change. Just tell them to look at what it says for VIT on their Character Profile.