Goodbye strength tanks. Let us never be forgotten.

[Fyce]

I feel tanks should have more than one effective stat gearing strategy. Starting tomorrow it seems everyone will just stack Vit.

Why just Tanks? Why would that be the only role to do that? Besides, even if we had "the choice" before 3.2, every tank was stacking STR in raid anyway. So much for choices. In fact, the new materia melding of 3.2 might give us more choice than we had before.

On top of that, I'm happy that Tanks won't have to stuggle with three other people in raid groups to find out who will take that STR accessory.

[Ironos]

My guess is the new tank dps will be similar to tanks wearing all crafted str accessories right now since they wanted to address the issue of tanks needing to invest millions into crafted accessories for the hard raids to have an advantage. Won't be a huge drop if this is the case.

That's what I originally thought as well, but once I heard/saw the buffs to tank stance enmity, that made me consider it may be a bigger nerf than we think. If our damage was kept at pentameld levels, I don't think the enmity buffs were needed.

[Awful]

Snip.

Adjust to what healing style exactly? Str tanks vs Vit tanks are no harder/not harder to heal just because you have to hit 1 more button to heal? It's your job to not let the tanks Hp drop to 0 does that mean adjusting to that style too? You heal and support with DPS when you can that's it, have a pre-determined gear path for tanks is not a big deal it was pre-determined for us with full str why is it an issue now?

Do you think tanks were happy shoveling millions of gil in order to get pentamelds? No. Were healers who wanted to with accuracy or Vit? No. These were choices we had and in the end they were more headaches than what is was worth. I personally don't want to spend that much on gear that can be replaced in a month or so when new content comes out nor do I like telling my melee dps to greed on slaying when it's their BiS, i'm so glad I told my monk last week when the slaying earrings dropped take them.

[TheUltimateSeph]

Are all you posts sarcastic then?

Wouldn't call it attacking you more asking why you feel one is ok while the other isn't.

If I want to attack you i'd insult you directly not by trying to discuss something.




Also on your question I don't believe either vit or str tanks are 'bad'

I feel I should clarify that when I defend ice mages and auto attackers and lancers in void ark I have never said those players are good. I do in fact believe they are bad but that I still think they should play however they want. I think STR tanks are bad because they aren't as good as VIT tanks at actually tanking. This entire argument of STR tanks vs VIT tanks comes down to subjective personal opinion anyway. I'm really just here cause I'm bored so I couldn't care less who is deemed right or wrong either.

[BreyVoreas93]

Well I stand corrected I have not seen the interview about dps reduction, I honestly didn't understand the emnity increase other than PLD needed it, but it will be interesting to see how this plays out and makes a bit more since if so.

[Edewen]

I feel I should clarify that when I defend ice mages and auto attackers and lancers in void ark I have never said those players are good. I do in fact believe they are bad but that I still think they should play however they want. I think STR tanks are bad because they aren't as good as VIT tanks at actually tanking. This entire argument of STR tanks vs VIT tanks comes down to subjective personal opinion anyway. I'm really just here cause I'm bored so I couldn't care less who is deemed right or wrong either.

As you said, that is a personal opinion. Str or Vit didn't make you bad, it simply made the healers have very little wiggle room when you were gearing to have just enough health to survive the tank buster.

What makes a tank is 4 things really

1. Threat: If you don't have threat, you aren't a tank
2. Mitigation: proper cool-down usage to do everything you can to help your healers
3. Dodging: Nothing is worse than having to stop laying down dots and heal simply bc the tank was too lazy to move
4. Maximizing DPS: To be clear, this means raids dps. This could be many things, from not moving the boss needlessly, popping group cool-downs so healers can pump out more, and yes, maximizing yourself.

Good tanks do the first 3. Great tanks can do it all. And up to this point, even though yuo may not like it, I wasn't a big fan either, it is irrefutable FACT that in order to be a great tank and give everything you had to win, you had to wear str gear and trust your healers to not need the wiggle room because it was the ideal way to maximize the groups damage output.

[Lilith_Merquise]

...and you've only proven in this thread that you tend to talk out your arse.

And all you've proven is you are quick to the keys but the mind is rather slow. you've insulted everyone that's opposed this topic, but rather then pathetic nostalgia have offered nothing as to why people who have posted against this topic wrong. Sorry if you want to chat in a bubble, feel free to make some blog or something and get a pat on the back from others that sympathize. But if you talk here, you open for discourse of al points of view, Wrong and Right. If that doesn't sit well with you, not only should you leave the topic, but you should leave the forums for they are not for someone who wants their sole opinions regurgitated back to them.

[Fynlar]

I feel tanks should have more than one effective stat gearing strategy.

Why, exactly? Healers and DPS don't...

[Odett]

I I think STR tanks are bad because they aren't as good as VIT tanks at actually tanking.

So you want people to give you reasons why STR tanking is viable but don't supply your own and use circular logic?

Let me educate you a little:

More STR means relying less on your enmity combo, letting you focus more on DPS and utility combos. Enmity for the sake of enmity is completely useless if you are not at risk of losing agro.

Stronger self-heals: your self-heals as a tank (Clemency, Souleater, Equillibrium, anything+Bloodbath) scale directly off attack power. Have you seen the massive amounts of HP you can recover as a WAR with Deliverance+Bloodbath+Berserk+Internal Release? Go pull 12 mobs and double Decimate and just laugh as you self-heal for godly amounts.

Actually surviving through Living Dead.

More DPS, which is its own form of mitigation, as killing stuff faster reduces the amount of time you spend on it. Before you say "but that's the DPS job", no, it's not, it can be anyone's job, because there is no cap on how much damage a group can do.

Once you get enough HP to feel comfortable in an encounter, as long as you play your job correctly and use your cooldowns, STR will benefit you much more than extra HP will. If you're not doing cutting-edge content, and don't feel confident enough in your HP and want to make it bigger, that's fine too. To state that a STR tank is "bad" while knowing absolutely nothing about STR tanking from lack of personal experience, however, is extremely foolish.

[Lilith_Merquise]

Why, exactly? Healers and DPS don't...

Right, like sure must be nice that you can build Tanky or build DPS, that you can self heal and practically solo some fights due to tanky/dps outputs..... Must be nice to be essentially multiple classes in one lol. I'm a tank, but even for me the amount of solo ability a tank has compared to other classes calls into question fairness but also why is it so hard to have hybrid classes, when things like WAR exist lol?