So are consoles holding back this game?

[Lambdafish]

And can't be doneon mediocre PCs either. Just how many players do you want to disenfranchise?

What exactly is a mediocre PC in your eyes? The current minimum specs is 2GB of Ram and a duel core. That is an ancient setup. If hypothetically that was increased to quad core and 4GB of ram, in this day in age (or let's say next year when the expansion comes out) that's still not a top end requirement (the so called PC master race outgrew that kind of set up years ago).

Put it this way, I'm only echoing the devs opinion that to keep ffxiv fresh and up to date, it needs to keep up to date with new gen mmos and needs the freedom in terms of hardware in order to compete.

https://m.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comment...p_features_of/

"Our aim has always been to develop the game so that players can have the same experience no matter which hardware they play on. However, if we were to become too fixated on this and become unable to innovate, then this will cease to be a FF game." - Yoshi Ps stance

[ruskie]

When my friend and I (both PS4) tried to run LoA we were kicked for not being on PC. (They demanded us to get on Mumble. Which is difficult on a ps4, as our PCS are in different rooms.)
I've also been ostracized numerous times because pc players don't trust consoles.

Sounds like you're just getting partied up with bigoted players. LoA never needed any communication at all really.

When we tried to get him a T5 clear (It's for a Trophy), same situation, he recently was asked if he needed to run some raids as his guildmates wanted the 1st timer bonus for their relics.

It's a joke now unsynced and doesn't need any coordination what-so-ever - can just hug the wall and get a full carry.
The POE train on cerberus has been going strong with carrying people through basically entire coils from 1 to 13 unsync. It's a sad joke now.

They discovered he was on console and couldn't voice chat with them so they withdraw their offer, and informed him that he should invest in a PC before attempting anything beyond dungeons.

Then he should swap his guild out, sounds like they aren't worth the effort to invest time in.

I had a pc player and his buddies lecture me that I need a pc so I can get a perfect connection, communicate (keyboard isn'the good enough it seems), and experience the "real" game, then boot me before we even made 1 attempt.

Good /blacklist and move on.

(Before you ask he knew I was on console because I could not join their teamspeak.)

I have access to teamspeak - but unless I consider the fight needs it(as in maybe a3s) I'll just say I won't join - have before and will in the future.

Now here's the fun bit... I play on PS4 - before that was on PS3 - I was doing all the raids and stuff and without voice chat. It's all dooable without.

It doesn't matter what you play on. The game works great on all systems. You don't require voice chat for like 99% of the stuff. It can make it easier at times but not required.

And as for the PC players prefer to team up with PC players and console with console - other than a few cases this just doesn't happen.

My experience is people will play with who they want to play - be it skill, friends, even in game race matters more than on what are you playing on...

Maybe it's just your server that has this issue. But my own experience is that nobody really ever gave much of a ... about what anyone was playing on.

[dinnertime]

Yes, in a way. Otherwise not really.
The game has lower graphics with low-res textures, reduced polycount etc. and the world isn't seamless like in 1.0. As for why FFXIV 1.0 was broken it wasn't at all only for the high graphics (although it was a factor), but because of how poor the engine and how poorly optimized the game was, pretty much releasing an unfinished game.

Moving to 2.0 and 3.0, I think there has been mention that consoles (particularly PS3) actually do hold them back on creating some concent and concepts they plan on implementing in the game and try to shift it to accomodate PS3 players or just scap it.

Console players however are still a large part of their players, meaning if they actually discontinue console compatibility (PS4 including) then they would definitely lose a lot of players, and a lot of money. Though we don't actually know how much people are playing on the PS3, but if it's a small amount that's considered safe to neglect them to discontinue, then there's a good chance they will soon. I think it won't be for long since the game doesn't really run that well on PS3 anyway (like less than below average) and that the PS3's era has ended (or ending).

[ruskie]

and the world isn't seamless like in 1.0.

From what those that were here at the time mentioned this is a direct result of asking players if they want more unique zones or a seamless copy paste world.

Moving to 2.0 and 3.0, I think there has been mention that consoles (particularly PS3) actually do hold them back on creating some concent and concepts they plan on implementing in the game and try to shift it to accomodate PS3 players or just scap it.

Yes mostly UI elements though some other things as well. I used to be on PS3 now I'm on PS4 and the first thing I noticed was that the UI on the PS4 is the same as on the PC so there really isn't a limitation there.

The high quality graphics and such and high poly - you know you've got problems when a single plant in a pot has a higher poly count vs the player model(1.x reference). But I don't mind if they do release optional high quality textures to PC users. Knock yourself out if you want.

[dinnertime]

From what those that were here at the time mentioned this is a direct result of asking players if they want more unique zones or a seamless copy paste world.

Really? People could've ask for the best of both worlds, honestly. A unique, immense and seamless zone but I don't think the PS3 could handle it though so it might be for the best so they can recover from the damages.

[Colorful]

From what those that were here at the time mentioned this is a direct result of asking players if they want more unique zones or a seamless copy paste world.

Why not a seamless world that's completely unique? Every MMORPG out there seems to be able to create a seamless world without copy and pasting (excluding the instanced based ones).

[Synrin]

That moment when you are in a duty group with a person playing on PS3 and they lag behind, and cannot follow or do their share. It's kind of a torture. For everyone.
On the other hand, I wish I could design my character kind of like in ESO. That was amazing. You still keep your race features (like a certain face shape) but you have sliders for almost everything on your face.. Ahh..

[Kosmos992k]

*Though we don't actually know how much people are playing on the PS3, but if it's a small amount that's considered safe to neglect them to discontinue, then there's a good chance they will soon.

Do you have any concept of the public relations nightmare that doing that would create considering the public promises made about the PS3 version going back almost as far as the PS3 launch itself? PS3 will *not* be discontinued during the 3.X patch series. The PS3 client will continue to function within the 2.X and 3.X zones even if it does not receive the 4.0 expansion and future updates.

To suppose otherwise is ridiculous. Just as it's equally ridiculous to think that suddenly SE will shift the minimum spec for PC users upwards effectively killing the gameplay for anyone on an older PC who is currently able to play. Not to mention the preposterous idea that the PS4 is holding the game back, or that it would be discontinued any time soon. People really need to stop this armchair quarterbacking if they are not going to consider the bigger picture. PS3 is still far more widespread in Japan than PS4 is. The uptake of the PS4 in western markets has been nothing short of incredible, but that's not so in Japan. Partly I think that is due to developers there continuing to make decent PS3 titles for the home market - many of which we will sadly never see outside Japan, and partly due to the rise and rise of mobile gaming in Japan. However Japanese developers are warming to the PS4 and as more games are made for their home market, more Japanese gamers will transition to the PS4. I'd hope, as I am sure would SE, that PS4 hit's critical mass in Japan this year and starts to replace the PS3 quickly thereafter. That will open the way to dropping development of the PS3 client.

What exactly is a mediocre PC in your eyes? The current minimum specs is 2GB of Ram and a duel core. That is an ancient setup. If hypothetically that was increased to quad core and 4GB of ram, in this day in age (or let's say next year when the expansion comes out) that's still not a top end requirement (the so called PC master race outgrew that kind of set up years ago).

Go back and read my posts, I pointed out that I have a laptop PC that's not terribly old. It's a full blooded 4 core i7 with hyper threading (shows as 8 cores), 8GB of Ram, and an nvidia mobile GPU. I'd consider that a decent PC for pretty much anything. As far as this game is concerned though, it barely meets the same game performance as the PS3 does thanks to the comparatively poor GPU. If they boost the game requirements a bit more it will not be the CPU or RAM that prevent people from accessing the game it will be the on-board GPU that they can't trade out. Desktop users have the flexibility to put down a hundred dollars or more for a new graphics card. Users of laptops, Mac books, and many consumer PCs lack that flexibility.

I'm fully aware that you can't cater to low end hardware forever, but with an MMORPG, you almost lock yourself into supporting hardware that becomes low end over time due to power creep.

[Mael-bess]

he PS3 client will continue to function within the 2.X and 3.X zones even if it does not receive the 4.0 expansion and future updates.

I'm curious, how would that work? They would need to make PS3-exclusive servers so it doesn't conflict with the up to date game, now that would be a mess. I'm more inclined to believe they'll drop the ps3 client someday in the future and offer an incentive to migrate to either ps4 or PC.

[Kosmos992k]

I'm curious, how would that work? They would need to make PS3-exclusive servers so it doesn't conflict with the up to date game, now that would be a mess. I'm more inclined to believe they'll drop the ps3 client someday in the future and offer an incentive to migrate to either ps4 or PC.

Why would that be the case? unless they alter the character and gear models so much that the PS3 client can't display them, as long as PS3 players never leave the 2.X & 3.X zones, their client never need know that anything in 4.X exists. If you locked down the PS3 client, and put it into containment so there were no changes except fatal bug fixes, would you suddenly stop being able to launch the game and access the games you already paid for? I don't think so.

The game runs server side, the client only handles the local processing. As long as the PS3 player stays within the existing 3.X and 2.X, nothing changes for them. Even if the game on the server supports a new client for 4.0, and that new client adds capabilities that the PS3 client lacks, it won't alter the performance of the PS3 in ARR or HW content.