Why should warriors get a free pass to all savage content?

[Jpec07]

Because they prayed really hard to Fell Cleavus, and he answered.

Wouldn't think Warriors to be the religious type, but that's the truth of it.



...in actuality, at what SE deems "appropriate" gear levels for this content, it would not surprise me if PLD/DRK actually can be done. The problem is that combination will literally hold the rest of the group back performance wise, and requires a suboptimally-playing NIN (to maintain the Slashing debuff) to be viable. So the rest of the group has to work a lot harder to make up the difference.

Honestly (and I realize I'm going to get hate for this), WAR needs to be nerfed. Replace the 10% damage down with a 5% damage down, take away their slashing debuff (possibly just remove it from the game, since only WAR/DRK/PLD/NIN/SMR rely on it), and nerf their DPS to more reasonable levels, and the problem will be largely fixed.

[Ashkendor]

Honestly (and I realize I'm going to get hate for this), WAR needs to be nerfed. Replace the 10% damage down with a 5% damage down, take away their slashing debuff (possibly just remove it from the game, since only WAR/DRK/PLD/NIN/SMR rely on it), and nerf their DPS to more reasonable levels, and the problem will be largely fixed.

I'm kind of on the same page with this. They've buffed PLD and that's great, but it's not enough to make either DRK or PLD competitive with WAR. It's enough that DRK/WAR is no longer the de facto best combination. PLD/WAR is also good. I just feel PLD/DRK should have its perks as well so that WAR isn't basically 100% guaranteed a slot in raids. I mean, they could give the slashing debuff to every tank but then Ninjas having it is redundant. They could take it away from all tanks but then you're forced to take a Ninja. I'm not really sure what else could be done. Dunno, I guess I just feel that after a certain point, buffing the other two tanks is going to get ridiculous when things could be more easily solved by tweaking down WAR. On some levels it feels kind of like SE doesn't really understand what makes WAR so desirable overall.

[Duelle]

...in actuality, at what SE deems "appropriate" gear levels for this content, it would not surprise me if PLD/DRK actually can be done. The problem is that combination will literally hold the rest of the group back performance wise, and requires a suboptimally-playing NIN (to maintain the Slashing debuff) to be viable. So the rest of the group has to work a lot harder to make up the difference.

Honestly (and I realize I'm going to get hate for this), WAR needs to be nerfed. Replace the 10% damage down with a 5% damage down, take away their slashing debuff (possibly just remove it from the game, since only WAR/DRK/PLD/NIN/SMR rely on it), and nerf their DPS to more reasonable levels, and the problem will be largely fixed.

I don't think you're going outside the reach of what is considered logical.

I mean, if anything this discussion seems to point to how much stock the devs have put in synergy and trying to force synergy through things like slashing debuff (not to mention that Storm Path's damage reduction is raid-wide because it affects the mob, not a WAR-only form of mitigation for them to keep up despite the intention seeming to be such).

Assuming we want group comps where anyone can join without creating these optimization issues, wouldn't it be worth it to get rid of damage debuffs (slashing, blunt) or make them universal in some way?

[Aaliyahrose]

An idea I'm thinking of...

Cover can be good in a pinch if you are paying attention to party enmity generation, you can make it work in your favor. I'm going to practice this in Sword Oath.
Party enmity is clearly listed below your job icon (fyi if you didn't know...I just found out yesterday after playing since 1.0 xD) and if the DPS's enmity bar comes insanely close to yours, then you will know who to Cover.

I'm not saying you should do this! Haha. As this will probably cause your DPS to hate you for the boss staring at them and missing a positional, or wipe others besides the person you are covering from a cleave.

Given the perfect situation, you Cover a WAR/DRK in your party while in SwO before a tank swap, or if your WAR/DRK is spamming the enmity combo during that time.