So are consoles holding back this game?

[Lambdafish]

This is an excuse. You know... something a person says to avoid blame? The game already has a huge dragoon 200 meters in size that you do battle with. His name is Vishap and you find him in "The Steps of Faith."

Also it isn't an excuse, with the context of the interview, there is nothing to be excused. Yoshi P is talking about the future of the game, and necessary steps in the future in order to keep up with MMOs of the future (he referenced EQN as an example)

I've learned one thing, the devs are masters at coming up w/ excuses. Albeit silly ones.

Yes and no, vishap is only around 50 meters large, so yoshi p is talking about a mob 4 or 5 times bigger than vishap. SoF is also an instance, whereas a fate is open world, think about how bad a hunt is on ps3, now imagine that the hunt is a sky battle with a mob the size just described, starting to look like less of an excuse when you look at it like that

[Laraul]

It's obvious that the game can evolve more PC wise as PCs can upgrade. Consoles cannot.

How is telling a PC gamer they need to spend hundreds to upgrade or replace their PC any different than telling a console gamer they need to spend hundreds on a next generation console? It's the same thing.

[Laraul]

Yes and no, vishap is only around 50 meters large, so yoshi p is talking about a mob 4 or 5 times bigger than vishap. SoF is also an instance, whereas a fate is open world, think about how bad a hunt is on ps3, now imagine that the hunt is a sky battle with a mob the size just described, starting to look like less of an excuse when you look at it like that

I think we all agree Vishap is big enough. And I think we all agree "The Steps of Faith" would be the second worst open world FATE ever. The worst being the one you are suggesting. My point is, it's wouldn't be fun. People don't do FATEs we have now. The reason why were not getting it is it's bad game design.

I'm trying to imagine a beast four to five times the size of Vishap. It could eat you and you'd be in a full size dungeon! And flapping it's wings would force everyone on the map to the next area!

[Lambdafish]

I think we all agree Vishap is big enough. And I think we all agree "The Steps of Faith" would be the second worst open world FATE ever. The worst being the one you are suggesting. My point is, it's wouldn't be fun. People don't do FATEs we have now. The reason why were not getting it is it's bad game design.

I don't understand your point, I actually think it would be really cool, thanks for the patronising comment. The point of the quote is more about how as technology advances, hardware will need to be considered to do more things in the game, whether you like it or not, the Ps3 is a hindrance to the design of the game, and the freedom that they have with it

[Laraul]

I actually think it would be really cool, thanks for the patronising comment.

Your right, I've been a bit of an arrogant prick here. I'm sorry.

Remember, somethings only cool the first time or two you see something. After that it quickly becomes stale. And open world content requires people to drop whatever they are doing and then go out of their way to participate. FATEs are basically just reward experience and some gil. Occasionally a minion or achievement, which only need to be obtained once. There's little incentive to do them.

hardware will need to be considered to do more things in the game, whether you like it or not, the Ps3 is a hindrance to the design of the game, and the freedom that they have with it

Presently the team lacks the freedom to design content intended for 8K resolutions. There are always limits.

It's your job as a developer to work within the limits given to you to create your vision. You can get hardware to do whatever you want with the right software.

[Kosmos992k]

Why are people talking about graphics and character models? There is so much game play stuff not possible because of ps3 limitations, I believe I read somewhere that sky and airship battles weren't possible because ps3 can't handle it. And something something fighting bismark in a mount with a cannon.

Edit, found it:

"For example, if we were to have a large-scale FATE where players can ride on a flying mount and freely fly around and swoop down at a dragon that is 200 meters long, players would probably be impressed and entertained. However, it would also require us to raise the minimum requirement when it comes to hardware specs." - Yoshi P

A little different to what I said, but both examples are things that would be amazing but can't be done on Ps3 hardware

And can't be doneon mediocre PCs either. Just how many players do you want to disenfranchise?

[Kaze3434]

How is telling a PC gamer they need to spend hundreds to upgrade or replace their PC any different than telling a console gamer they need to spend hundreds on a next generation console? It's the same thing.

interesting part is, i dont play on pc. i do have a pc license, but use my ps4 to play.

[Kaze3434]

Console gamers for this game are still profits for Square, so unless they got a REALLY good reason to disallow PS3 players from logging in ever again, no dice. Money talks.

thats not how dropped support would be. the game would still get stability patches and such, but there would be no way to go to the latest zones on that system.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

thats not how dropped support would be. the game would still get stability patches and such, but there would be no way to go to the latest zones on that system.

That's not exactly what I said. Some people think the game would be better if the game simply ceased to exist for console gamers, which would mean way less profits for Square. I don't deny what you said, but in that scenario, wouldn't the devs still be bound to keep the game more or less the same across the board as they have been doing now? I don't think they would suddenly have two versions of the game to maintain for the sake of having a "better" game on PC.

[Defias]

That's not exactly what I said. Some people think the game would be better if the game simply ceased to exist for console gamers, which would mean way less profits for Square. I don't deny what you said, but in that scenario, wouldn't the devs still be bound to keep the game more or less the same across the board as they have been doing now? I don't think they would suddenly have two versions of the game to maintain for the sake of having a "better" game on PC.

Alot of people would rather the game drop consoles period. Screw having 2 versions.
Folks on the forums are just a vocal minority.

Going with the situation that they say made 2 versions...

Positive outlook:
If SE were to be vigilant and serious...
They'd optimize the game to the platform's specifications improving UI, load, graphics.
All while somehow managing to deliver content at the same time, and in equal amounts, while staying on top of issues with stability patches, hotfixes, & etc.

Negative Outlook:
Realistically, 1 version would become the favored version. As it either:
A. Brings in the most money.
B. Has the most players.
C. Is easier to develop for.

Now for having 2 versions being kept the same...
Yes and No.
Yes, the game would need to have the same content in terms of gameplay.
IE: Zones, Jobs, Story, let's just say Content.
And
No, the game versions could differ. Mainly in terms of features.
1 version (pc) being more versatile could get access to Add-Ons, Improved Graphics, performance enhancement, and maybe custom UI that's just naming a few things.
For the sake of argument I'll say Wii U.
Where as a Wii U version could assign Inventory/Map to the Gamepad.

As for "dropping support" of PS3...
Technically the developers are not required to supply stability patches. However most do as they don't want their game to be pulled off say the PSN or XB Marketplace.
Now if they did drop PS3...the real question would be...if PS3 would still be allowed to connect to SE servers even if patches, hotfixes, expats stopped rolling out for it.

Personally...if they could hire more folks and reoptimize the game into multiple versions: PC & Console; they could give players the best of both worlds.
But the cost behind that would be extreme.
Better off waiting for the next FF Online title.
They "could" do it...But unless this game does spread to more than just Playstation...I don't see SE investing in that.
The day Wii U (Listed for the sake of conversation), Nintendo NX, X-Box One (not holding my breath there.) get a version...well...then they may want to start fine tuning the game for every platform.