Why can't you see your stats when you finish dung/raids and trials?

[loreleidiangelo]

I want to clarify on that last note. I said "judge the player". In that sense, I don't mean harass a player who performs poorly - I feel this is an important distinction to make. I mean either a) help them by providing rotation advice, or b) kick/abandon. If you are doing an extreme primal with a very solid DPS check (i.e. Bismark EX at launch), then you're just wasting your time wiping with people pulling sub 500 DPS. I don't mean to suggest that one abandon's an expert roulette simply because the DPS suck. **In no way do I promote harassment**

The issue is that a lot of people tend to conflate exclusion from groups as harassment in and of itself.

[Kaurie]

The issue is that a lot of people tend to conflate exclusion from groups as harassment in and of itself.

If it is like an expert roulette, I agree. If someone is pulling 40% less DPS than is required as a bare minimum to clear [edit] endgame primals/raids, then everyone's time is wasted. Can kick, but mostly people just abandon. That isn't harassment.

To clarify, if that is harassment, then the people holding the team back are griefers.