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    Player Violette's Avatar
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    Eonkhui Malaguld
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    Tonberry
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    Gladiator Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Februs View Post
    YES!!!
    . Both Pld and War ultimate def CD's are used without additional buffs. Drk's almost never have this option, because they have to worry about the healer not paying attention and removing their status (at which time there is a mad scramble to try and put up emergency buffs). Changing it in the way you suggested would be infinitely better. Not only would it allow the Drk's ultimate def CD to be self-reliant, like Pld and War, but it would also actively encourage the healer to attend to their other activities (such as dps or topping off the rest of the party). Further, it wouldn't be too OP, because if the Drk used it at a bad time (such as a low dmg instance) they could potentially walk out of it in worse shape than they went in. If the Dmg is not high enough to heal them, the healer could not help (cuz they'd be killing them faster).
    Pretty sure that Holmgang has an explicit "HEAL ME OR I'M DEAD" tag attached to it. And none of the problems of WD debuff.

    Reversing the damage for 6 seconds would be pretty cool. So would basically anything that wasn't Holmgang with a little extra.

    I do like how it is currently, but what about it converting the damage (that would of killed you) to healing done on you , then the rest of the WD Buff/Debuff?
    That would A) Reduce Bene dependence (and healer dependence) B) Give more power to the DRK to control the usage and C) make it better than Holmgang for the cooldown.

    @Lucidia: There's a reason I don't use LD unless A) I'm on VOIP with at least 1 healer and B) I know I won't activate it so it's just style points.
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    Player Februs's Avatar
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    Februs Harrow
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    Quote Originally Posted by Violette View Post
    Pretty sure that Holmgang has an explicit "HEAL ME OR I'M DEAD" tag attached to it. And none of the problems of WD debuff.
    Not quite. Holmgang has a "Heal me or I might (probably will) be dead" tag.

    Nothing about Holmgang guarantees a War's death without healer input. IF their Hp is reduced to 1, then it is HIGHLY likely that they will die without a healer, however the status itself will not kill them. Something needs to hit them for that last 1 Hp. Further, if the dmg lightens up after the big hit the War has the tools to self heal enough to stay alive until a healer can get to them (equilibrium, Bloodshower, etc). If the Dmg completely stops after the hit (say, the boss leaves the arena for example) a War requires no immediate healing at all. I've seen plenty of War's get through their Holmgang without requiring 100% of the healer's attention. It's not recommended, obviously, but it's definitely doable. Drk's, on the other hand, do not have that advantage. If WD is activated, they will die if the healer does not reach threshold. Nothing will stop it, and Drks cannot self-heal enough to bypass the status effect (unless there happens to be a large sum of enemies nearby whom they can somehow sea urchin without getting aggro ... which is highly unlikely).

    Further, Holmgang cannot be canceled early by a healer. The status effect is in effect regardless of anyone's intervention for it's full duration. WD can be canceled before the Drk even gets into it. If a healer reaches threshold on a Drk while they're only at living dead, then they will not get the full benefit of Walking Dead. War's and Pld's do not have this deficiency. They get their ultimate CD regardless of what the rest of the party does. When and how they use HG or Holmgang is purely up to them.
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    Last edited by Februs; 02-18-2016 at 06:56 PM.