Please fix - really poor game design

[KaitlanKela]

You're wasting your time. This debate is very old around here, and anyone who is actually okay with how the housing is will not change their mind. I'd suggest you just write off FFXIV and stick to one of your other MMOs, because this is what the XIV community accepts and expects now. It's blasphemy to imply that a free game can do housing better, despite the fact that there are clear examples that they can, and we should all be happy that this subscription-based MMO with a cash shop gives us any housing at all.

No.

It's just some of us recognize that new wards are coming in 3.3 and private instanced housing in 3.4. Adding FC private quarters was a stop-gap measure and is not a perfect solution, but there's nothing that you could change to FC rooms that wouldn't be fixed with the changes coming in 3.3 and 3.4. So there's no point petitioning for a game design change: they're coming but they don't happen overnight. Just be patient about it.

[MomomiMomi]

No.

It's just some of us recognize that new wards are coming in 3.3 and private instanced housing in 3.4. Adding FC private quarters was a stop-gap measure and is not a perfect solution, but there's nothing that you could change to FC rooms that wouldn't be fixed with the changes coming in 3.3 and 3.4. So there's no point petitioning for a game design change: they're coming but they don't happen overnight. Just be patient about it.

Which doesn't address the issue of the game deleting your stuff. Which is what this thread is about.

[KaitlanKela]

Which doesn't address the issue of the game deleting your stuff. Which is what this thread is about.

Respectfully disagree.

More wards = purchase your own home which would not be tied to a FC.

Instanced private housing = same as above, this time such that plots are available for everyone on a server, not just on a first come first serve basis. They probably also have the advantage of being the same price as an FC room, assuming that they are the same size and function the same way.

If you're concerned still about the 45 day reclaim feature, I would say that's an entirely separate issue. Whether or not you are subbed or login ot visit your housing is 100% in your control and your choice. Having a room disappear because the FC disbanded, there's nothing you can do about that you're at the mercy of your FC leadership. Separate issue.

[Sida]

Since this is about the private FC room.

I got my room more than six months ago and way back when I got it the system was already an place, that if you for any reason loose the room (mainly, if you for any reason loose FC membership) the items will have a grace period to be picked up or they are gone forever. That was informed to me along the purchase of the room so it must have been either on the help text dialogs I need to click through, or in the active help window the private room purchase spawned. It also might have been one of the housing related explanation dialogs one can choose to read. It's reasonable to assume you were informed about this back on the purchase time.

Now other MMOs, I have played quite a few and in every of them, if I have taken a break of more than a month it has been safe to assume I would have been kicked out of the guilds I were in, except I they were guilds with people I also communicate outside of the game. What I'm saying is, taking half a year hiatus with no contact to the guild is enough reason to expect you have no guild when you return.

Neither of this has anything to do with the new house timing concept, which by the way sends you mail in time to come back to the game to secure your house if the time was running out.

[Apocrypher]

It's all good in theory that we should not be required to come back halfway through a break just to get our stuff back, but the reality is that keeping the data around for all characters like this would bog the servers down more than we think. The Calamity Salvager is merely the cache for the housing system in this case - you have to eventually empty that cache for the game to keep running smoothly, just like a regular computer. The resources SE allocates to FFXIV are finite here & need to be closely maintained.

Housing has basically turned into a whirlpool: it looks great & spectacular, but you have to put forth the effort to stay out of the tunnel once you're in motion (logging in regularly) or else you're gonna get sucked to the bottom and possibly die/get maimed (lose all your stuff due to inactivity).

[Nicobo]

You're wasting your time. This debate is very old around here, and anyone who is actually okay with how the housing is will not change their mind. I'd suggest you just write off FFXIV and stick to one of your other MMOs, because this is what the XIV community accepts and expects now. It's blasphemy to imply that a free game can do housing better, despite the fact that there are clear examples that they can, and we should all be happy that this subscription-based MMO with a cash shop gives us any housing at all.

No.

It's just some of us recognize that new wards are coming in 3.3 and private instanced housing in 3.4. Adding FC private quarters was a stop-gap measure and is not a perfect solution, but there's nothing that you could change to FC rooms that wouldn't be fixed with the changes coming in 3.3 and 3.4. So there's no point petitioning for a game design change: they're coming but they don't happen overnight. Just be patient about it.

Sorry to tell what I read is Neira knows the history but you don't...^^;

[skeletonfingers]

the reality is that keeping the data around for all characters like this would bog the servers down more than we think.

Mind explaining to me how Trion Games lets me have UNLIMITED dimensions (housing rooms) in Rift? Sure, I can only have 1 active dimension, but I can keep my housing items in the inactive ones and since it is a FREE game those items and dimensions are never deleted when I do not log in for any amount of time. I am confused how they dont hit issues with data bogging down their game and FFXIV does.

Either Trion Games has access to better tech than SE, or they just choose to bless their players (even the non spending ones) with a better housing experience. i.e., one that doesn't delete your items due to inactivity.

[Lexia]

SE has always operated the same way even back in the days of XI. There is a saying "can't teach an old dog new tricks"

[Mimilu]

I'm surprised SE hasn't done the whole "email warning" thing with room demos like they did with demolition. You'd think with their track record of trying to force people to stay with housing, they would want to hold all the items in your room as hostage as well... >w>

[Lexia]

I'm surprised SE hasn't done the whole "email warning" thing with room demos like they did with demolition. You'd think with their track record of trying to force people to stay with housing, they would want to hold all the items in your room as hostage as well... >w>

Well that up to the FC if person get kicked out otherwise the room remains intact as long as the FC is around and decides not to kick said player. There are FCs out there that kick players out after 30 days of not logging in, which then your items go to the same 35 day system that housing item reclaim has.