POLL: Best healer for 4 mans?

[Raminax]

Carve and Spit stuff

Non-Dark Arts'd Carve and Spit is really good emergency MP, though. And sometimes even better damage, depending on the size of the pack.

And if we're going to speak purely in damage dealt, Carve and Spit always gives enough MP for one Unleashed. Assuming a simple pull of two packs, that's anywhere between 4-8 enemies in the current lvl60 instances. That translates to 500-900 total potency for the 100 of CnS, and then 400-800 for Unleashed. And for a significantly lower MP cost than a DA CnS, at that.

Essentially, plain CnS and its MP recovery does have its uses. With 4 or more enemies, just use the extra MP for Unleashed. If you intend to spam Abyssal Drain for higher AoE DPS, use it at as early as 3 enemies.

Also, on topic, I decided to be naughty and do naughty things not too long ago. White Mage DPS is nice. (And yes, before you ask, the second Summoner hadn't done any of her Heavensward Job quests.)

[Hysterior]

for speed I think WHM is still pretty OP if not paired with DRK (they don't like holy)

[FoxyAreku]

SCH is weak with AoE

You're joking right

For the topic: I've always been of the opinion that Warrior+Scholar+Bard+Black Mage is the god composition for dungeons.

[Neela]

He missed a tiny word in his sentence...

"SCH is weak in burst AoE"

that would be right - after all the topic is about speed-runs

Edit: my favorit 4 grp constellation for speedruns is Drk, Ast/Whm, Smn & Blm - the Smn/Blm combo is just awesome...

[LDR]

Speedrun speed runs?

Balance and consistency with minimal down time out of fights, constantly chain pulling from one set to the next for fast consistent take downs?

i'll take DRK-SCH-BLM-SMN all day any day.

Eos can handle the boss fights and 75% of the trash, ill act as a pesudo second SMN and watch everything melt.

WHM maybe be better here and there under certain circumstances but i'd rather the security of no OOM chance classes.

[also lack of having to co-ordinate with the DRK about Holy vs BP timing, just DoT and go]

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

Rather than vague, subjective opinions, how about some numbers? At the moment it's primarily a White Mage's word against a Scholar's word and only one person sort of tried to make a decent comparison with the potency. At the moment, it's nothing more but e-peen hurt.

[Neela]

numbers and potency are worthless if you cant play the cls or handle situations individuell... never understand all the complex math-posts in here -> they are plain theory without proofing anything at all. you can trust players if they play both cls and say whm is way faster killing trash mobs than sch - havent seen anyone in here who question this words... o.o

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

It gives you a theoretical indication that actually allows you to compare the capacity of the jobs without random variables. For example: I can heal and deal more damage than any other healer as a mnd specced and geared summoner. Obviously, that's a load of nonsense. But how would you proof otherwise?

There was also a statement going around that the fairy can solo heal it, which allows them to deal more damage than white mages. If this is possible, then why can't white mages with regen and an occasional tetragrammatron? Too much subjective crap with no form of (theoretical) proof

[NamoNanamo]

blablabla theoryiscrap

There is no complex math-post here.
And your "argument" is bad and you should feel bad.

@Raminax Don't post the logs like that, you risk one ban forum.
I did it and caught 2 weeks ban.

[Neela]

whats up with you now Namo? o.o

just said i kill way faster with whm than with sch - should i feel bad about that?... if u say so, ill do. not. and if you count posts you'll see way more people agree with that "fact" than those 2-3 sch players. btw it's not that i hate schs actually my main is sch too - therefore i know for sure what i just said about comparising both healer on trash mobs. dont know why u got so mad on me... but well in the end i dont mind at all.

and yeah Lyrica u said it yourself "compare the capacity of the jobs without random variables", so thats what i meant - same thing with all those dps calculation on Faust... DDs doing fine on it because there is nothing what could interfere their "perfection"... but where do u have this perfect setting at all? nowhere else. i wasnt meant to be mean - i personally just dont like those calculations. because you said yourself again "It gives you a theoretical indication".