Dev decisions get away from the player demnads ( Parser PVP Goldsaucer diadem ect.)

[RyuRoots]

This completely typifies what I have heard a lot from those against parsers.
No real argument, no explanations, no supporting evidence, just a random "they are bad. The end"

I would say the same of those who whine for their inclusion, except replace "bad" with "good".

[Laladyn]

You should read the whole context. The "final audjustments" are targetting Alex Midas (Savage). They are not for Alex Gordias (Savage).

Sometime they said they gonna nerv Gordias , also echo coming to it is very possible.

[Laladyn]

Except you're not supposed to use them. Using them is against the TOS and publicly admiting you use them can get you banned.

Yea but thats the point, People using them and of course there are no real numbers but from my experience 80%+ of the PC players do, Also alot of the console players like myself would like to have a tool like a parser for many reasons, and still the devs decide to spend alot of Resources on an instanced dummy that acts as a limited DPS meter and still that demand could be fullfilled much better and with much less resources if they just would add a ingame parser. Also it would put all current users out of the grey zone of breaking the ToU. Also a parser could just been personal and only show your own DPS if thats the real concern they have. I just dont get what they are thinking, i think its stupid not to add one-

I would say the same of those who whine for their inclusion, except replace "bad" with "good".

There are definitly real reason for and against a parser, in my oppinion the arguments that are pro parser are more and more imortant then the contra parser ones.

[Arrius]

This is, thankfully, also an MMO that has a very 'Japanese' attitude about player interaction. Luckily for those who 'cannot live' without a DPS meter there's plenty of MMO's catered to their tastes out there at the moment.

That '"Japanese attitude" consists here of constant self-improvement and staying up to date with the current encounters on your own, otherwise you will be shunned when you don't.
The JP community got even a blacklist of PUG players running, so they aren't pulling any punches either when it comes to measuring the performance of each individual.

[Kaurie]

They are bad, though. They're often abused and exploited as a means of harassing players. A mentor system that encourages players to help out other players is much, much more useful than a system that allows people to stand back and screech about how amazing their DPS is whilst badmouthing anything that doesn't fit their overly bloated standards.


You need only look at MMO's such as WoW to see why DPS meters aren't a pleasant affair. This is, thankfully, also an MMO that has a very 'Japanese' attitude about player interaction. Luckily for those who 'cannot live' without a DPS meter there's plenty of MMO's catered to their tastes out there at the moment.

I am fairly certain the negative 'harassment' type occurrences happen way less than the positive occurrences. This is just from personal experience among various MMO's, but I've rarely seen negative chat in regards to a parser - and I've see plenty of positive ones. Further, to suggest that FFXIV is currently free of harassment would be short-sighted. I don't think parsers cause this sort of behaviour, but are just used as a tool by both sides.

Person A in game without parser, attempts to improve but doesn't know if its working well.
Person A in game with parser, attempts to improve and sees how their numbers change as they level up. Upon max level are a much more competent player.

Person B in game without parser, yells at everyone else for making them fail. Exclaims that they know what they are doing and everyone on the server is holding them back. Proceeds to use insults at everyone, and randomly blames team members such as the heals or tanks.
Person B in game with parser, yells at a particular person for making them fail. Exclaims that this one person is pulling subpar numbers and proceeds to insult this person.
Person B in game with parser, realizes that (s)he is in fact the person pulling the crappy DPS. Screams at everyone else anyway and leaves.

In other words, the parser doesn't cause people to be negative. They will be that way anyway. The parser is simply a tool used differently by different people.

[Ibi]

A mentor system that encourages players to help out other players is much, much more useful than a system that allows people to stand back and screech about how amazing their DPS is whilst badmouthing anything that doesn't fit their overly bloated standards.

A mentor system can work, but in order for it to be a reliable tool there needs to be some way of guaranteeing that the mentor is proficient, both in terms of their own capabilities and how well they can impart that knowledge to others.

The mentor system we're getting, on the other hand, just guarantees that the mentor has spent a lot of time playing the game.

[Kaurie]

A mentor system can work, but in order for it to be a reliable tool there needs to be some way of guaranteeing that the mentor is proficient, both in terms of their own capabilities and how well they can impart that knowledge to others.

The mentor system we're getting, on the other hand, just guarantees that the mentor has spent a lot of time playing the game.

Indeed. They could even have used the Sea-Sky-Stone or whatever it is called as a means to test mentors. They could have added an enmity generating/damage mitigation run, a high outgoing heals/mp management run and a DPS run. Then you'd need to perform well in all 3 to gain an achievement which would be a requirement to become a mentor.

[Titor]

i dont think the dummy / training room is wasted resources , however i think that Lord of vermillions and the new pvp systems are wasted resourices and time ...to something ppl will play on the 1 day and never touch again , training room will be the same for lots of ppl , but if that room helps 1 of every 100 players i would be more than happy.

Diadem could have been awesome....but....

Dude I and some people from the pvp ls I am in are super hyped. I/we love pvp in this game and are really looking forward to a proper arena

[Kosmos992k]

No please not another "Sightseeing Log" 2.28, i do not like to stay in dungeon and wait for the correct weather just to pass a door!

Huh? What the heck are you talking about? I mentioned no such thing. As for the rest of your comment, I said use the mechanics, not use the mini-game itself.

[randysquirrel]

They are bad, though

Not the point I am making. There are pros and cons to a parser, absolutely, but just commenting "they are bad", as the comment I referred to did, (or conversely they are good) and nothing else, is meaningless.

My opinion is that there should be a group parser, and IF it is abused, then of course action be taken against those people. But to deny it to all ps4 players in case it is abused is a shame

I've seen enough of these threads to know though, that those against a parser are absolutely adamant that their dps number be kept secret, from PS4 players at least, and do not change their opinion easily