How do many of you feel about helping?

[Tanathya]

I absolutely love helping, as long as people are willing to be helped and not expecting to be carried. There's a HUGE difference between being new, and being a noob.

[Kaurie]

I absolutely love helping, as long as people are willing to be helped and not expecting to be carried. There's a HUGE difference between being new, and being a noob.

Technically.. there isn't? Noob = Newb = Newbie = Person who is new.

That said, I agree. My satisfaction for helping others is directly related to their reception of my help.

I've been helping people since launch, the real question is "How do you feel about RECEIVING help?"

The ones like me know what I'm talking about.

Definitely a good question. It's very hard to receive tips, especially if you believe that you're already doing quite well. For example, I recently had another SMN give me advice on how to kill the adds in A1 (this was while farming A1N for the relic). They said the way I was doing it resulted in a DPS loss. Instead of taking the advice well, my immediate reaction was "Well, I do more damage than you, so? o.0". It was a pretty petty response and quite rude, considering he was just offering a tip.

I was on voice with my friends and they pointed out how I was pretty lame in my response. One friend pointed out that whether we do more or less damage, it doesn't mean we cannot learn from others. So afterward, I sent him a tell and apologized. I started trying his tip and have adopted it in A1S as well. It works quite well, and am glad I got over my initial defensive attitude.

Point being, it's hard to accept advice and not be defensive. It's also hard to admit that you're wrong.

[Izsha]

Some of these tales sound so arduous it's almost comical. If I trial roulette and get ifrit hm and there's 1 new guy, no, I don't stop the train to explain every mechanic and setup a stun rotation. We just zerg the crap outta it and go on with our lives. If I get a new /undergeared healer in a dungeon I'll just do small pulls and type a line about major boss mechanics when we get there. If a dps is bad or undergeared then I just accept it's gonna take an extra 5 min. Some posts make it sound like this is some great saintly act. It's just rudimentary online gaming. I don't consider that 'helping' people. That's just trying to successfully complete the content you signed up for with whoever you were randomly stuck with.

If a friend needs help wth a specific thing then sure I'll go. But no, I don't just join random shouts and learning party PFs for the fun of it if that's what your asking. I don't have hours a day to just give to random people on the internet.

Rage quitting is for babies. You signed up for that roulette knowing you can get anything. You joined that learning party PF. Deal with it or don't sign up.

[MugenMugetsu]

I'll help anytime I'm able to do so. I like to stick to the golden rule, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." As an example, when in a crystal farm party I'll see others say, "Sweet! I got my third crystal. Alright guys thanks! See ya!" and then they leave while the people who helped them are still in the group and have not yet gotten all of the crystals that they need. So when I get my third crystal I will stick with the group for at least another hour to pay back everyone for helping me get my crystals.

If a group is wiping I will hang in there for as long as I can because I'm one who feels that the group can only improve and we will get the win if we keep trying. It's only if the group are being rude and not taking things seriously that I will leave.

I don't mind helping people with items or gil that they may need, if I can afford to do so.

I try to help out as much as possible and, as other have mentioned, I hope that the people I help will pay it forward when given the opportunity to do so.

[Tanathya]

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You perfectly know the context in which both are used.
Jesus, really...?

[Kaurie]

You perfectly know the context in which both are used.
Jesus, really...?

Can you explain your response better? I am not sure what you are referring to.

edits etc..

After re-reading our posts, I think you are saying that I know the context in which both noob and new player are used? In which case, yes, I use noob to mean new player - as in "I'm a noob" when I encounter something for the first time. I've never referred to someone who plays poorly as a noob, if that is what you mean?

[Alisa180]

Whenever a bonus pops up, my first words in 90% of cases are 'Who's new?' I live for info dumps, so I'm always happy to give new players the lowdown on a fight, and answer any questions they have. Of course, the group often goes before I can finish my explanation. Or they beat me to the punch.

In my experience, most are open to constructive criticism, key word here being 'constructive.' Two particular incidents stick out in my mind. In a Thousand Maws run I was healing, I noticed the group was moving unusually slow. After observing cast bars, I realized the BLM wasn't using Blizzard II. I advised him that Blizz II was a good idea on any mob with more then 2 enemies. He didn't really say anything back, but afterwards I observed him following my exact advice. It wasn't perfect, of course, but it sped up the run appropriately and it was an improvement. So I simply smiled and finished the run.

Another time, I did a Copperbell Mines run with a player who was clearly very new. She was an Arcanist, and was using Topaz Carbuncle (!). Very early on, me and the tank politely asked her to switch to Emerald Carby. She didn't respond, nor switch out her pet. Just as I had internally dismissed her as a 'stubborn DPS' she suddenly spoke up in chat after the second boss. I immediately used the opportunity to talk to her, and in short order she gladly switched out her Carbuncle, as well as listening to my advice on playing ACN. She earned my comm for it, and we parted on good terms. I'm still baffled how she missed us talking the first time, though.

Both incidents highlighted for me that a lot of bad play is born out of simple, unwillful ignorance. It is *not* self-evident that using Blizz 2 on mobs with 3+ enemies is ideal, nor is it obvious that using Topaz Carbuncle in dungeons is a really bad idea. It doesn't help that the vast majority of guides, especially for DPS classes, are geared towards endgame players who often already know what they're doing. I speak from painful experience here. When I first started playing Summoner, I immediately went looking for information on how to play my class. I stumbled upon Hai Hai's Summoner guide, only to be overwhelmed by talk of stat weights, DoT breakpoints, etc, when I was just looking for the absolute dos and don'ts for my job. (I'm currently trying to address this problem constructively by writing a guide specifically for beginner-midcore SMN players).

Above all else, I criticize my own play before criticizing anyone else's. A little humility goes a long way to making people receptive to suggestions.

[Iagainsti]

Can you explain your response better? I am not sure what you are referring to.

edits etc..

After re-reading our posts, I think you are saying that I know the context in which both noob and new player are used? In which case, yes, I use noob to mean new player - as in "I'm a noob" when I encounter something for the first time. I've never referred to someone who plays poorly as a noob, if that is what you mean?

Yeah, noob is a new player, I'm Canadian, so I refer to the "bad player" as the "Hoser" but fill in your appropriate slang here, but noob(newb and Newbie) has a pretty standard definition.

[Kaurie]

Yeah, noob is a new player, I'm Canadian, so I refer to the "bad player" as the "Hoser" but fill in your appropriate slang here, but noob(newb and Newbie) has a pretty standard definition.

My preferred word choice is 'Scrub' :P

[Arrius]

Technically.. there isn't? Noob = Newb = Newbie = Person who is new.

No.

Newb/Newbie is the term for people that are new to the game.

Noobs are people that aren't willing to admit or change their bad playstyle.


People keep using that noob term for calling out new people, but that is wrong.