Botting is getting worse.

[Imsyu]

To be fair, without them the economy would likely crash for a good bit as no one in their right mind would sit and grind thousands of shards/crystals/clusters when that time can be invested elsewhere but i digress

[Vlady]

To be fair, without them the economy would likely crash for a good bit as no one in their right mind would sit and grind thousands of shards/crystals/clusters when that time can be invested elsewhere but i digress

No. People would play the game the way it was meant to be played and we would not have materia costing 5 million gil from inflation. Prices would actually be more reasonable because less gil would be on the server and prices go down then.

[Iagainsti]

No. People would play the game the way it was meant to be played and we would not have materia costing 5 million gil from inflation. Prices would actually be more reasonable because less gil would be on the server and prices go down then.

Actually Basic economics: More of an item in stock decreases the price. They may make whatever grand number you speculated without a confirmed source, but truth be told, bots farm and sell stuff I really don't want to bother getting myself, like carbonized matter(insert any grade). In terms of materia, the price drops because any rmt worth his grain will under cut an actual player, again decreasing the value of the item. The real problem stems from the playerbase who will buy the gil, and that is what inflates prices on goods and adds the influx of gil to any server. Keep in mind the bot(s) are in the business of selling the items cheaply to get the gil fast to sell for real currency; it's the playerbase that buys said gil who will in turn not care to pay 25-30 million for a Coffin Lid(e.g) It does defy the ToS and the servers would be better off without them, but your ire is deflected on the wrong party.

I agree OP, and it's the people who keep buying from Gil Sellers that are equally as guilty for ruining the gaming experience for us

[Galdous]

Actually Basic economics: More of an item in stock decreases the price. They may make whatever grand number you speculated without a confirmed source, but truth be told, bots farm and sell stuff I really don't want to bother getting myself, like carbonized matter(insert any grade). In terms of materia, the price drops because any rmt worth his grain will under cut an actual player, again decreasing the value of the item. The real problem stems from the playerbase who will buy the gil, and that is what inflates prices on goods and adds the influx of gil to any server. Keep in mind the bot(s) are in the business of selling the items cheaply to get the gil fast to sell for real currency; it's the playerbase that buys said gil who will in turn not care to pay 25-30 million for a Coffin Lid(e.g) It does defy the ToS and the servers would be better off without them, but your ire is deflected on the wrong party.

There are as many casual botters now as RMT botters. Both are bad for business on the legit player side of things and just because he is using the casual side of botting for his ire it does not denigrate the argument. When people who bot and are known botters on one of the largest servers possess multiple houses it still affects the normal player. The person might not have been able to afford said houses if they were forced to play the way legit players are. It is this overwhelming advantage that ruins the MMO market the same as first person shooter market dealing with aim bots and teleport hacks.

And chances are the rmt botters are using in house systems so possibly altering how commands in the client ids are handled may help break the mold of bots. Api based programs that inject directives into the dll files can be broken but would require a massive rewrite of the client and possibly encrypted commands which would be an arm and leg to costs..

[Iagainsti]

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Sorry, I'm having hard time following what you said and why I was quoted. For one, I don't understand what housing has to do with my points, nor do I understand the relevance of your second paragraph. I am by no way a casual botter, yet I was able to afford to pay well over 40% of the cost of our FC house and buy a Large Plot when personal housing dropped the "legit"(this needs defining) way, and subsequently destroy it with no resentment when I saw other young FCs hurting for a house that I never used anyway, besides just wanting from the hype. So besides it defying the ToS, I do not see why a casual botter impacts the community if he is not reselling the gil for real currency.

[Galdous]

Sorry, I'm having hard time following what you said and why I was quoted. For one, I don't understand what housing has to do with my points, nor do I understand the relevance of your second paragraph. I am by no way a casual botter, yet I was able to afford to pay well over 40% of the cost of our FC house and buy a Large Plot when personal housing dropped the "legit"(this needs defining) way, and subsequently destroy it with no resentment when I saw other young FCs hurting for a house that I never used anyway, besides just wanting from the hype. So besides it defying the ToS, I do not see why a casual botter impacts the community if he is not reselling the gil for real currency.

Turning this into a personal argument is not really the best way to go. Most bots farm gil or mats to make items or to use on the market. Said market receives huge influx of items which cause artificial inflation and gil earning into the server which causes prices of low end items to go down but with such a huge influx of gil on the server it causes gil to inflate meaning it is not worth as much because of said amount of unnatural gil being pushed into the server. That causes luxury items or high end items to go up in price because of before mentioned meaning of inflation.

People who farm gil and mats have a huge advantage over those who do not. If you can somehow tell me how they do not or how that does not hurt you then be my guest. But said person who uses bots to earn gil illegally can use the gil to afford items they would not normally be able to aka housing which means that those who do not cheat are the ones affected. Both in the market, in housing and in the game in general.

[Gunspec]

Actually Basic economics: More of an item in stock decreases the price.

Also basic economics, more money entering an economy leads to inflation and higher prices.



Jade sells for 12 gil, making it one of the most expensive items for a miner to farm. 25 Billion gil entered the economy via just this one botting exploit. And if you don't think this powerpoint slide is evidence of botting, consider that if this game had 10 million players it would require each player to farm an average of 215 Jade each for this statistic to make sense, and 645 maple logs as well. Raw gemstones should never exist in quantities higher than basic ore and metals.