Astro underwhelming in endgame?

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

Cure III is totally missing :/

How often is it really useful, though?

[tjw]

How often is it really useful, though?

Quite often, actually. Out of the savage floors, only A2S doesn't require Cure III and that's because there's not much raid-wide AoE happening. The other three floors see quite a few uses out of Cure III, AS3 especially.

But Cure III doesn't make or break a healer in savage, really. If there's burst AoE healing required, AST does have lightspeed.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

Quite often, actually. Out of the savage floors, only A2S doesn't require Cure III and that's because there's not much raid-wide AoE happening. The other three floors see quite a few uses out of Cure III, AS3 especially.

But Cure III doesn't make or break a healer in savage, really. If there's burst AoE healing required, AST does have lightspeed.

Well, for one: Cure III uses are niche at best with current content. And secondly: Lightspeed hardly matters when you actually need "burst" healing of any kind. Aside from A3S 6 splashes, name an instance where Cure III would be more MP efficient as well as GCD efficient over Medica II/Aspected Helios and has to be used to prevent a death because they weren't healed up enough. Even with the 6 splashes, Cure III saves 1 GCD (and the mp involved in it) at most.

[tjw]

It's different playstyles, maybe. I find myself using Cure III after the jumps in AS1 rather than Medica II, which I use before emergency deployment because the timespan in between the two, to me, doesn't seem long enough for the Medica II dot to top people off. Cure III is also quite good for some double preys (i.e. two ranged, or a healer and melee, or melee and ranged on same oppresor etc) if you can get it coordinated with the group over VOIP; the other healer can then focus on just the tanks. GCD efficiency depends on the situation; if the Cure III actually tops off most people, then it's more efficient than Medica II/A. Helios by virtue of its cast time being lower.

I'm not arguing that Cure III is niche. It's definitely not as useful as Medica II, but it's definitely a lot more burst/emergency useful, especially in A4S when AoEs get clipped by the same people (e.g. two people accidentally pick up the same orb...). If we talk MP management, of course it's not as sustainable than Cure II, but I find certain scenarios benefit more from the quick burst from Cure III rather than the HoT from Medica II. It really just depends on the situation, and I find that Cure III sometimes supersedes Medica II in bursty/recovery situations.

[Nekotee]

I follow everyone who say that A1S is the AST raid... Hands down !
With all your tool kit you got 0 struggle for this one

And cure III is not really a niche skill...
I'm often disappointed to see the whm spamming medica on a fight where DPS are all pack...

On the other hand if a DPS do not pack and come near me on a fight where he should... I will let him die alone ! I do not have unlimited range

Cure 3 have a great range despite what many are saying
And it's really helpful in many situation
(Plus less enmity than medica 2 since it's a single strong heal and not a HoT)
But i admit that medica 2 got the best healing potency if you take the the whole HoT

[AsuraFreya]

I wish astros had more aoe healing than just a aspected helios and a helios.. when whmes have medica, medica 2, cure 3, assize.. and scholars have succor, a new burst aoe called indomitability and whispering dawn if they're using eos. All astros have for aoe healing really are those 2. which i guess is what turned me off when i entered a1s i found handling the aoe damage as an astro a bit mp draining and overwhelming with the lack of aoe healing

[Nekotee]

There is no need for more aoe healing skill...
Because it would copy assize or indom or cure 3... Which is useless for the AST...

Ast have already a lower mp cost which help a lot
And lightspeed for emergency burst with reduced cost

On A1S a simple aspected helios is enough to cover any aoe damage (aka gunnery pod)

The only heavy aoe is the double gunnery pod at the end of the first phase (use lightspeed and it's a piece of cake)
And each double landing...
Again on this on aspected helios must be up and use collective unconscious
Then just use celestial opposition and go dancing around XD

A1S is almost too easy as Ast

[technole]

I always prefer AST for A1S over WHM because of balance pull, using CO+TD for more DPS and whatever else you can do to put points on the board as possible before the split. (Plus the folks who like to do 0-jump runs will try to use AST to pad their numbers). The 15y 'issue' abolished with raid coordination because there is absolutely no reason to really be out of range for gunnery. AB a strangler if-needed. Plus the toolkit practically trivializes the double prey healing mechanics. I'm not sure about the "more aoe healing" comment. No Assize means I wait to AH again until the second for double gunnery which the previous AH ticks should be getting towards running out. Focus on the tank whom is probably in DPS stance for cleave, until after the follow-up gunnery comes out. Not having Assize after the tank buster it just means waiting to heal the last gunnery and using GCD for Helios before the jump. That is about it in-terms of kit differences, hardly much.

Well, for one: Cure III uses are niche at best with current content. And secondly: Lightspeed hardly matters when you actually need "burst" healing of any kind. Aside from A3S 6 splashes, name an instance where Cure III would be more MP efficient as well as GCD efficient over Medica II/Aspected Helios and has to be used to prevent a death because they weren't healed up enough. Even with the 6 splashes, Cure III saves 1 GCD (and the mp involved in it) at most.

Yep, A3S x6 Splashes is the only place where it's efficient over the other options. Well there are parts in Thordan too if we want to include full end-game where it's perfect for some mechanics. Accounting for today's gear level for that matter, Cure III is a bit overkill for most other things aside from those.

[NamoNanamo]

Cure III got a lot of use. PPl tend to under/over estimate this spell.
Blalbala, you need to adapt blablabla your mate, your Ivl, their Ilvl, your position, the damage of the incoming attack, your mp, their hp etc etc.
Cure III is fine but situational.

And if you face a lot of strong aoe with your AST like a3s*6.
Light speed/synastry is your friend

[Muahbec]

On the healing department AST is really good now.(Almost good enough to replace WHM, again ALMOST, don't get me wrong)
On the CARD department though...ugh.....
Buffs don't provide THAT significant help( you can easily live and beat stuff without them... so what's the point of them anyway) the card related skills( Shuffle, royal road, spread, draw) are kinda of messy and the cooldowns could be reduced to make AST more of a buffer (after all that's what they were supposed to be right?) ALSO the RNG is beyond disappointing.