Live Letter 3.2 tank changes, vit effects tank attack

[vigioX-Sun]

To me is super fun the fact I can do my role as tank or healer an be able to put dps in the table by decent amount if I got a good rotation, really hoping that, 'ok tank use vit' now but the meta don't change.
is just soo much fun.
Healer:you are not just healing all the time stance dance an do dmg.
Tank: you are not just a dummy do your finishing moves!.
Soo much fun to heal an tank, I just hope it don't change much.

[Hivernica]

Living dead is gonna be real fun to heal now...

[Reinha]

Living dead is gonna be real fun to heal now...

Hopefully DRKs realise that it's not a good idea to pop it in a dungeon... In a raid though there are two healers and healing ~12k within 3 GCD isn't a big challenge. 3 Cures or equivalent do about 7-8k alone and using Cure II/Ben II does even more. All healers have some instant heals, hots are rolling and at least one out of 2 healers likely has Swiftcast available. It's not as bad as people make it seem imo.

[Hayward]

Hopefully DRKs realise that it's not a good idea to pop it in a dungeon... In a raid though there are two healers and healing ~12k within 3 GCD isn't a big challenge. 3 Cures or equivalent do about 7-8k alone and using Cure II/Ben II does even more. All healers have some instant heals, hots are rolling and at least one out of 2 healers likely has Swiftcast available. It's not as bad as people make it seem imo.

If it stops some of these hot-dogging tanks from being a show-off and biting off more than they know they can chew (all under the guise of "efficiency"), I'll be more than satisfied.

[Eidolon]

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I just want to take a moment to address this.

On Dark Knight, if you feel you have to pop your Living Dead, it's not usually used as a form of Mitigation - outside of some scenarios that involve tank busters. RAther, it's used in the same context as Hallowed Ground and Holmgang.

"My healer can't keep me alive. I have to do something to extend my life."

A dark knight that dies to Living Dead in a dungoun was either not rotating mitigation properly, pulled more than they/their healer could handle, or weren't getting healed by a DPS-healer.

However, a good dark knight who pops it in an emergency situation who dies to it after? What they basically did was buy you 10 seconds of tanking time, compared to instantly dying. That 10 seconds can be all the difference for some situations.

What they did was prevent themselves from hitting 0 due to either their own failing or the healer's failing or both.

[Warlyx]

i have seen cure II crit of 11k (raid geared healer) , so healing drk under living dead shouldnt be hard , is 1.200 hps...im fairly sure basic heals (2s cast + 0.5gcd - Spell speed) , ~4-5 cure I is way more than 12.000 (add regens) , sch same + fairy heals...and instant heals on top of that , and of course drk self healing

[Kaurie]

I just want to take a moment to address this.

On Dark Knight, if you feel you have to pop your Living Dead, it's not usually used as a form of Mitigation - outside of some scenarios that involve tank busters. RAther, it's used in the same context as Hallowed Ground and Holmgang.

"My healer can't keep me alive. I have to do something to extend my life."

A dark knight that dies to Living Dead in a dungoun was either not rotating mitigation properly, pulled more than they/their healer could handle, or weren't getting healed by a DPS-healer.

Both Hallowed Ground and Holmgang are used as forms of mitigation. In raiding context, they are often planned to be used at certain times. In dungeons, a good tank will plan/communicate ahead of time ("Going to pull everything and pop hallowed").

[Gralna]

Both Hallowed Ground and Holmgang are used as forms of mitigation. In raiding context, they are often planned to be used at certain times. In dungeons, a good tank will plan/communicate ahead of time ("Going to pull everything and pop hallowed").

Hallowed Ground is so OP'd in Chrysalis if you pop it right before going into white room.

[NaySilver]

Based on what is written on this forum:

1) Speed run are a must, so the tanks have to make mega pull (maybe all the dungeon);
2) The healers have to heal, but they also have to dps, because many pro on this forum said pro healer (like them) can clear dungeon with cleric stance always up (I read it just yesterday);
3) The healers also have to pay attention to the mechanics, otherwise they're lazy (I think it was on the healer's forum).

Gealers have to dps? No, but with a good tank and normal pulls (very rare conditions) they can contribute to the dps (and is even funny). Still, the current meta is one of worst I've ever seen in a mmorpg, with many tanks who want pull the whole dungeon (even if they have strengh gear and don't know how to use cd), and many dps who can't make decent damage and ignore the mechanics.

So I wonder, is it really a problem the lack of healer's dps?

[Kaurie]

Based on what is written on this forum:

1) Speed run are a must, so the tanks have to make mega pull (maybe all the dungeon);
2) The healers have to heal, but they also have to dps, because many pro on this forum said pro healer (like them) can clear dungeon with cleric stance always up (I read it just yesterday);
3) The healers also have to pay attention to the mechanics, otherwise they're lazy (I think it was on the healer's forum).

Gealers have to dps? No, but with a good tank and normal pulls (very rare conditions) they can contribute to the dps (and is even funny). Still, the current meta is one of worst I've ever seen in a mmorpg, with many tanks who want pull the whole dungeon (even if they have strengh gear and don't know how to use cd), and many dps who can't make decent damage and ignore the mechanics.

So I wonder, is it really a problem the lack of healer's dps?

Kind of confused on your posts relevance to the topic, it almost seems like it should be a new thread or on a healer thread (not a tank one).

That said:
1. Speed runs are apparent in every MMO I've played
2. Healers don't have to DPS, but it's easy to do it and there is little reason not to
3. Everyone has to pay attention to mechanics. I am curious as why this concerns you?

The problem is not lack of healers DPS, but the mentality among many players who believe they don't need to bring their A game. They all want to do the bare minimum and hope the other 3 people will pick up the slack. However, if everyone brought their minimum the runs would take pretty close to the timer of 90 minutes.

Tanks can contribute to DPS in large pulls as well.