Ley lines and AoE

[FunkyBunch]

May I ask the MP of most lvl 60 Blk? I find during AOE Fire II spams(and I use ThunderI to reserve mp) that I'm too low to SC Flare/Convert at 60, had no prob at 50? am I not running enuff mp or am I doing something wrong?

You always have enough MP for 4 F2's. If you have enough MP to cast a 5th because of a "lucky" MP tick you need to cast Flare instead anyway as you won't have enough for Flare after a 5th F2..
If you're less than 3200 MP and you're trying to cast another F2, you won't have enough MP for Flare.
I have approx 11400 MP which is pretty standard.

[verandal]

Fire II in Astral Fire III does 187.5 potency per enemy;
Thunder does 270 potency if all ticks hit the enemy;
Both have a base cast time of 2.5 seconds.

Using thunder right away as you've described is a definite potency loss:
With 5+ enemies you could do Fire III into Fire II doing 937.5 potency per GCD (versus the 270 potency of thunder - even considering Thunderprocs).

In fact, thunder in aoe situations during Astral Fire is a DPS loss compared to Fire II or Fire I even at 2 enemies.

Fire III -> buffs -> Fire 2 (x2) -> Flare. Period

It's not that base potency when I get thunder 3 thunder cloud procs every 6 seconds.

[StouterTaru]

Fire II in Astral Fire III does 187.5 potency per enemy;
Thunder does 270 potency if all ticks hit the enemy;
Both have a base cast time of 2.5 seconds.

Using thunder right away as you've described is a definite potency loss:
With 5+ enemies you could do Fire III into Fire II doing 937.5 potency per GCD (versus the 270 potency of thunder - even considering Thunderprocs).

In fact, thunder in aoe situations during Astral Fire is a DPS loss compared to Fire II or Fire I even at 2 enemies.

Fire III -> buffs -> Fire 2 (x2) -> Flare. Period

Base cast time of Fire II is 3.0 seconds.

Your dps is not the dps of one GCD. If you could spam F2 endlessly then your numbers would be more valid, but MP limits that. Also, Thunder is more than just Thunder, it's also Thundercloud procs.

It's around 5 mobs where Thundercloud casting falls behind, but of course getting that many mobs together often involves a long pull, during which time you can get a few Thunders in early thanks to Sprint and Sharpcast.

[verandal]

Also thunder 3 thunder cloud proc potency is 710 if applied for full duration.

[verandal]

Base cast time of Fire II is 3.0 seconds.

Your dps is not the dps of one GCD. If you could spam F2 endlessly then your numbers would be more valid, but MP limits that. Also, Thunder is more than just Thunder, it's also Thundercloud procs.

It's around 5 mobs where Thundercloud casting falls behind, but of course getting that many mobs together often involves a long pull, during which time you can get a few Thunders in early thanks to Sprint and Sharpcast.

Yeah I would agree past five mobs thunder cloud procs wouldn't be optimal but however by the time you get to the sixth target that first one will be nearing death of not dead anyways so I keep up with my thunder applying.

[StouterTaru]

If you're less than 3200 MP and you're trying to cast another F2, you won't have enough MP for Flare.
I have approx 11400 MP which is pretty standard.

3200 isn't enough, the magic number is 3536 (I believe). The MP difference between races at level 60 is less than 40 MP from highest to lowest.

[FunkyBunch]

3200 isn't enough, the magic number is 3536 (I believe). The MP difference between races at level 60 is less than 40 MP from highest to lowest.

The point is, cast 4, always cast 4, then cast Flare. Spells costs are based off your Max MP anyway are they not?
I need around 1250 MP for Flare. And since I usually have either 2700 or 3002 MP, 3200 is a good enough number to be able to cast an extra F4.

[Alahra]

I don't even like it when SCH's use Selene when I'm on my BLM in a dungeon, as the 3% casting speed is enough to make me finish my Fire III cast too quickly, before the second MP tick, sometimes. That gets rather annoying, as it's not consistent. x.x

Ley Lines and The Arrow only make it worse.

[Waliel]

The MP difference between races at level 60 is less than 40 MP from highest to lowest.

Which is still enough to not have mana for 6xF4 opener without PIE party buff ;_;

Squenix pls.

[Iagainsti]

You always have enough MP for 4 F2's. If you have enough MP to cast a 5th because of a "lucky" MP tick you need to cast Flare instead anyway as you won't have enough for Flare after a 5th F2..
If you're less than 3200 MP and you're trying to cast another F2, you won't have enough MP for Flare.
I have approx 11400 MP which is pretty standard.

Thank you, so 4 Fire II is the magic number.