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  1. #71
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace View Post
    Better to have no solution than a cliché response in my opinion.

    Nerfing content that needed skill caused the problem but "get gewd skrub or unsub" has less than zero value.

    My solution is gradually add skill checks back to content until we have dungeons worthy of the title "EX Roulettle" and stop nerfing thing that don't need it. The only things that need nerfs are fights that are stupid broken or screwed by RNG. Aka Alexander Savage and prepatch T5's twisters.
    I meant it didn't though, the only problem is that people want nerfs. So the response was appropriate. People are bad because they nerf everything, OP says, people are bad, nerf this... tbh, OP deserved the response that person gave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xenowind View Post
    It all began from December 17th, 2013. Grrraaaaaarrrghhh! Iron Giants ran like crazy rabbit, human learnt to expect drama in 24-man instance.
    What sorcery is this ? My December 17th (2013) runs couldn't get past atomos, if they even reached it.

    Burn that witch !
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  3. #73
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuwagami View Post
    What sorcery is this ? My December 17th (2013) runs couldn't get past atomos, if they even reached it.

    Burn that witch !
    Oh, the iron giants spawns by the Atomos, if all three adds are on the field for a few seconds. Wipe reason #1 til today.^^
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  4. #74
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
    I meant it didn't though, the only problem is that people want nerfs. So the response was appropriate. People are bad because they nerf everything, OP says, people are bad, nerf this... tbh, OP deserved the response that person gave.
    I just get a little sick of "Get Gewd" as a answer for a lot of things. That's the same answer given by the few teams who can consistently beat Alexander Savage give to the above average teams who are (rightfully so) claiming that Alexander Savage is even above hard core levels of difficult.

    Being Anti nerf if fine, I'm against it too, and I ment my specific wording to sound like a joke and it seemed they took it that way, but get good is never an answer, its a denyal of a problem. Which is a problem in and of its self.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion88 View Post
    Oh, the iron giants spawns by the Atomos, if all three adds are on the field for a few seconds. Wipe reason #1 til today.^^
    True, but the IGs xenowind was referring to were the Behemot ones I think ;D

    It's still fun to see IGs pop right off the bat for atomos though, because people can't get behind being 4 on a pad

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace View Post
    Being Anti nerf if fine, I'm against it too, and I ment my specific wording to sound like a joke and it seemed they took it that way, but get good is never an answer, its a denyal of a problem. Which is a problem in and of its self.
    it all depends on the content. People asking to nerf already faceroll content (24 man raid, regular dungeons, or maybe even alexander normal) should indeed just "get better" as the skill floor isn't exactly high to begin with.

    For Alexander Savage (3) which skill floor is way above the skill level of many of us, "get good" is just becoming an insult rather than a real answer.
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    Last edited by Kuwagami; 01-29-2016 at 07:17 PM.

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    Please nerf Sastasha NM too

    Captain Madison too OP
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    This thread is everything wrong with the community.

    Yes, people suck at this game. But rather than have any content that gates bad players you want to nerf everything so it's a faceroll. Well guess what, with that kind of game design those bad players will follow you through every instance you ever do. Nobody will ever learn anything, and you'll be stuck in an easy game for babies that's nothing but straight hallways you can autoattack your way through. And if you try to teach anyone anything they'll probably report you for harassment.

    Keep the chu chu train where it is. It's fine, it's easy, and one good healer can carry the entire raid anyway. If you wipe once, it's because the healers were assuming the party was better than they are or they just weren't paying attention. It happens. If you wipe more than once, it's because you had at least 20 bad players out of 24 and you do not deserve to clear that content.

    ANYONE asking for nerfs to ANYTHING doesn't realize just how high the skill ceiling of this game is above what's required by existing content.
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    Last edited by Immut; 01-29-2016 at 10:44 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace View Post
    I just get a little sick of "Get Gewd" as a answer for a lot of things.
    Well get even more sick. This thread is stupid to begin with and the "Get Gwed" response is because people are tired of reading crappy threads and silly opinions about nerf after it has be discussed over and over again.

    Only content that is messed up in the game right now is alexander savage. All other content in the game is relatively easy. Nerfing content does not make up for people just being lazy and not bothering to do the content. Hoping others will just do it for them.

    I can say this after witnessing an entire party screwing around while the other two party did all of the work in VA.

    Get Gwed, Git Gud, You Sux whatever the response is it's because people who complain about nerf fail to see anything other then their own narrow pov.
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  9. #79
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuwagami View Post
    it all depends on the content. People asking to nerf already faceroll content (24 man raid, regular dungeons, or maybe even alexander normal) should indeed just "get better" as the skill floor isn't exactly high to begin with.

    For Alexander Savage (3) which skill floor is way above the skill level of many of us, "get good" is just becoming an insult rather than a real answer.
    This is where I call both camps out as being wrong. "Nerf it cause people suck" and "Gate it till scrubs git gewd" are both wrong stances when the TRUE problem is an actual Ballence.

    We have either "faceroll" or "WTF!?!" Difficulty but no where between and no Ballence with the two either. There is lies the real problem in lack of Ballence difficulty and thus what actually needs addressing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace View Post
    I just get a little sick of "Get Gewd" as a answer for a lot of things. That's the same answer given by the few teams who can consistently beat Alexander Savage give to the above average teams who are (rightfully so) claiming that Alexander Savage is even above hard core levels of difficult.

    Being Anti nerf if fine, I'm against it too, and I ment my specific wording to sound like a joke and it seemed they took it that way, but get good is never an answer, its a denyal of a problem. Which is a problem in and of its self.
    Though "Get Gewd" is a bit of a gimmick, the core concept behind it is the proper one.

    If the content is designed correctly, you should just have to practice to beat it, with the help of vertical progression, everything becomes playable to everyone eventually. Of course we have things like A3/4S that were just way overtunned and screw that up. But if people actually progressed their skill, instead of just their ilvl, then it would work.

    I think people who make it to endgame, (meaning past 60, and especially by ilvl 200) and don't know basics of their role, to be very selfish and inconsiderate. But I really despise is people who enable that. (Not just in game, I don't take the game that seriously, but life in general). You should try to help people get better at things, not just dismiss them as being bad or unskilled and say "Hey, its ok to not try!". If someone has reached their ceiling that's fine, they have tried, and thats what counts. Telling them to not bother trying is a terrible thing to do to a person, and everyone who has to participate in the related activity with that person.

    By asking for nerfs to simple fights like this one, that is what the OP is doing. She is worse in my perspective, because she's not even doing it to one person, but the entire playerbase of this game.

    Sorry, if that's a bit confuzzeled up there, wrote it out between hunt zergs.
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