Astro needs a Nerf in PVP

[lovelikewinter]

They need to really balance pvp if they want Feast to be successful.

Astro is literally not fun to play against in Wolves Den, and will be worse in 60.

This is why I don't participate in Friday Night Fights.

It's essentially a race of who can stun+lb the AST first, which is rather monotonous and not fun (to me).

[xxczx]

This is why I don't participate in Friday Night Fights.

It's essentially a race of who can stun+lb the AST first, which is rather monotonous and not fun (to me).

https://xivpvp.com/wolvesden#

[lovelikewinter]

https://xivpvp.com/wolvesden#

Pardon my bluntness but what am I supposed to be looking at this for?

If others enjoy the current state of WD, then that's fine. I just don't personally care for it.

[Houston009]

This is why I don't participate in Friday Night Fights.

It's essentially a race of who can stun+lb the AST first, which is rather monotonous and not fun (to me).

I'm assuming you only had a few runs that required lb to kill the healer. Maybe 1 out of 15matches (if that) results in the game even lasting long enough to see LB. Anymore then that and I'm more concerned with the dps/tank you are getting paired up with.

[ZanzhizExaverion]

I'm assuming you only had a few runs that required lb to kill the healer. Maybe 1 out of 15matches (if that) results in the game even lasting long enough to see LB. Anymore then that and I'm more concerned with the dps/tank you are getting paired up with.

But it only happens in a match with an Astrologian. That's the problem.

You can say "oh well your dps suck" but that's not the case. What if the AST is as good as your good dps? He just Attunes, big heals, continues to sprint and shield, half your burst is mitigated by a GCD. You have to stun LOCK the AST, and can't force purify until you stun, AND break their shield.

It's not fun. There's no counterplay to the job. There was no counterplay to SMN raise and they got rid of that. It has to be nerfed if they want to see success, end of story.

[Houston009]

But it only happens in a match with an Astrologian. That's the problem.

You can say "oh well your dps suck" but that's not the case. What if the AST is as good as your good dps? He just Attunes, big heals, continues to sprint and shield, half your burst is mitigated by a GCD. You have to stun LOCK the AST, and can't force purify until you stun, AND break their shield.

It's not fun. There's no counterplay to the job. There was no counterplay to SMN raise and they got rid of that. It has to be nerfed if they want to see success, end of story.

Except it does not only ever happen with an AST. Matches going all the way to LB have and are happening time and again with White Mage/Scholar. LB matches are not new. The only difference now is that people play AST because it is quite literally /faceroll compared to WHM/SCH. Yes, AST is ahead of WHM/SCH in the department of freecasting, which is why i made my earlier proposal. Taking away freecasting power from AST would take them out of the game, no reason to bring them.

You must get paired with god awful ASTs.

And you must be paired with some god awful WHMs/SCHs

"oh well your dps suck"

95% of the time, this is the case.

I feel like you aren't too verse in Wolves Den based on these comments...

[ZanzhizExaverion]

Taking away freecasting power from AST would take them out of the game, no reason to bring them.

And you must be paired with some god awful WHMs/SCHs

I feel like you aren't too verse in Wolves Den based on these comments...

First of all, NOBODY is well versed in Wolves Den with AST because there isn't a wide variety of top level PVPers out there to test and grind out how it works. WD besides FNF is dead besides win trades. And if everyone gets paired with poor players then yes, AST with it's imbalanced freecasting and free shield with a low skill ceiling IS a problem because it's impossible to deal with without coordination.

Freecasting will ALWAYS be superior to WHM/SCH, even if you want to keep defending the job or attacking the players who can't take them out. You can literally watch Joe's stream, a guy who has a PVP burst rotation as a lot of dedicated PVPers do, and watch him deal less that 20% of an AST's health, who stands still and just Aspected Bs himself and then the poor DRG needs to wait 75 seconds to do it again, but guess what, the AST has cooldowns again too.

[Houston009]

Now that I am done laughing.

First of all, NOBODY is well versed in Wolves Den with AST because there isn't a wide variety of top level PVPers out there to test and grind out how it works.

Just because you don't participate in wolves den daily, like many players on both Balmung and Gilgamesh (to an extent Faerie), does not mean it isn't happening. Primal servers have been running den as well.

Here:

https://xivpvp.com/wolvesden#

This even shows the JP groups running Wolves Den, which in case you didn't know, has been running Wolves Den even during its "supposed" death.

And if everyone gets paired with poor players then yes, AST with it's imbalanced freecasting and free shield with a low skill ceiling IS a problem because it's impossible to deal with without coordination.

PvP should never be balanced around players' inexperience or low level of skill. Many an ASTs have been killed even with in-coordination see AST deaths on FNF.

Freecasting will ALWAYS be superior to WHM/SCH, even if you want to keep defending the job or attacking the players who can't take them out.

You realize I understand the power of Freecasting, hence why I made my proposal earlier if you would care to read it. Taking the only thing AST has over WHM/SCH would make them unwanted in PvP. I will continue to say that player's inability to kill an AST is on their part. People expect to be able to 1v1 a healer, then once buffs/nerfs happen complains to their healer when their own healer falls over. You can keep accusing me of defending the job and you can even call it cheap if you want, but I have a very good read for you: http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/introducingthe-scrub

You can literally watch Joe's stream, a guy who has a PVP burst rotation as a lot of dedicated PVPers do, and watch him deal less that 20% of an AST's health, who stands still and just Aspected Bs himself and then the poor DRG needs to wait 75 seconds to do it again, but guess what, the AST has cooldowns again too.

Not to knock on my boi Joe, but just because someone claims to have "the" PvP Burst rotation does not mean it's correct or being done fast enough.

Examples: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...urst-Rotations

Some of these burst "rotations" are mostly/somewhat correct (missing abilities), but the time it says to do some of those burst is just WAY too long. I don't claim to have "the" burst rotation, but whatever it is I'm doing is soloing ASTs on both DRG/NIN.

To you from:
- A versed Wolves' Den Player.

[xxczx]

First of all, NOBODY is well versed in Wolves Den with AST because there isn't a wide variety of top level PVPers out there to test and grind out how it works.

do i have to link to this again

https://xivpvp.com/wolvesden

pls

[lovelikewinter]

I'm assuming you only had a few runs that required lb to kill the healer. Maybe 1 out of 15matches (if that) results in the game even lasting long enough to see LB. Anymore then that and I'm more concerned with the dps/tank you are getting paired up with.

Guilty as charged. I think I've played 2 WD matches. My first one was with Panzer Tone (and Atreus, I think?).

It was alright, I just would prefer a more objective-driven form of pvp.