[GM] Please take notice. Make statement on housing.

[StouterTaru]

How is that the same there only limited amount of runs that can be done or something? Am I going to get locked out out a trial or dungeon cause people selling too many runs?

The way that you dismiss run selling is exactly the same way that people dismiss your argument. Some people are genuinely upset that other people get carried through top raids, because it's not fair and they don't deserve drops/titles from them.

Did you get locked out of buying a house because someone else bought one to resell?

I'm sure the reason that there's no official statement is because it's a Pandora's Box to take that step. Once they state that doing something in game for in game currency, that wasn't explicitly against the ToS, is now explicitly against the ToS, they end up with a flood of people reporting everything that they don't like. Run selling, early pulling, undercutting, selling off MB, casinos, PF discrimination, every stupid little thing that "isn't fair" is open game. Someone else's game experience is indirectly ruining my game experience, make it stop.

It's easier to deal with it quietly and hope it goes away with the new roach motels of Ishgard.

[Valkyrie-Amber]

I'm glad Im on a server without the pf full of house sellers or rather rip off artists who buy a plot just to resell to make a profit.

[Teryaani]

I'm sure the reason that there's no official statement is because it's a Pandora's Box to take that step. Once they state that doing something in game for in game currency, that wasn't explicitly against the ToS, is now explicitly against the ToS, they end up with a flood of people reporting everything that they don't like. Run selling, early pulling, undercutting, selling off MB, casinos, PF discrimination, every stupid little thing that "isn't fair" is open game. Someone else's game experience is indirectly ruining my game experience, make it stop.

It's easier to deal with it quietly and hope it goes away with the new roach motels of Ishgard.

Yeah, they would rather leave it officially a grey area and hope the problem solves itself in 3.3. Not the first time they took this approach and it won't be the last time they do it. I'm of the opinion that, if you (SE) are banning people for something, they should say something formal about it, but radio silence is what we get.

[Lexia]

The way that you dismiss run selling is exactly the same way that people dismiss your argument. Some people are genuinely upset that other people get carried through top raids, because it's not fair and they don't deserve drops/titles from them.

Did you get locked out of buying a house because someone else bought one to resell?

Being carried is not a new thing it been happening since people became strong to enough to do it, even before housing was a thing and happens in pretty much any other MMO. As for the house you are not buying a house from them you a bribing them to give up the rights to the the house when you then have to buy the plot from the game. I was talking about that in FC and few of them even said the same thing about how someone was saying selling runs and selling houses was a fair comparison

[StouterTaru]

As for the house you are not buying a house from them you a bribing them to give up the rights to the the house when you then have to buy the plot from the game.

So you're paying in-game currency, for someone to do something in-game, that is not listed as an activity against the ToS?

Run selling fits those same categories. The difference between the two is you don't mind one, but despise the other.

[Madjames]

Still no word. Oh well

[Lexia]

So you're paying in-game currency, for someone to do something in-game, that is not listed as an activity against the ToS?

Run selling fits those same categories. The difference between the two is you don't mind one, but despise the other.

I don't personally buy runs and I do think it a lazy way of playing the game but the gil they giving the person is getting them something, they not paying a person and then having to then again pay the system to enter the fight. Buying up houses just to resell them for 10x the value is a a$$ move being that you have to buy the land on top of paying what ever outrageous price the scalper wants. There a difference between selling a house cause you don't want it anymore or just buying empty plots to resell cause they want to take advantage of a broken system. Oh and by your logic pretty much all crafters would have to be banned also then cause people pay them in game currency to do something for them instead of them crafting it themselves.

[Ilitsa]

I Oh and by your logic pretty much all crafters would have to be banned also then cause people pay them in game currency to do something for them instead of them crafting it themselves.

That's essentially what you're asking for with your logic too, though. Yes it's a dick move to buy tons of property just to resell, but that's the way it goes, it's not something that I, personally do, but I don't feel that I have a right to tell other people they can't use their ingame currency to do as they wished with, it's like telling a crafter they're not allowed to sell that shiny new craft glamour gear for 8,000,000 gil when in reality it only requires maybe 1/3rd of the price they're asking. If people's game is "distrupted" by the house sellers, then their game should be disrupted by the craft-sharks that overprice everything, or the run sellers asking for exorbitant amounts of gil to help someone get through a piece of content that they otherwise wouldn't be able to do, because, like it, or not, it's all the same fundamentally. People using gil to get themselves ahead at the expense of other players.

[Teryaani]

If people's game is "distrupted" by the house sellers, then their game should be disrupted by the craft-sharks that overprice everything, or the run sellers asking for exorbitant amounts of gil to help someone get through a piece of content that they otherwise wouldn't be able to do, because, like it, or not, it's all the same fundamentally. People using gil to get themselves ahead at the expense of other players.

To add to that, we regularly see complaint threads here about crafters gouging, asking for SE to ban run selling, and the like. When you leave the market to fend for itself, this is what happens.

@Lexia, Getting angry that a market behaved like a market is silly. If you want to get angry, Square had the chance to sort this out for personal housing prior to it's release. They chose not to. Is it a jerk move to do the high markup resell? Yup! But it's a symptom of the system we have.

[StouterTaru]

Oh and by your logic pretty much all crafters would have to be banned also then cause people pay them in game currency to do something for them instead of them crafting it themselves.

By my logic house flippers shouldn't be banned. By your logic, crafters should be banned. Like I said before:

Once they state that doing something in game for in game currency, that wasn't explicitly against the ToS, is now explicitly against the ToS, they end up with a flood of people reporting everything that they don't like. Run selling, early pulling, undercutting, selling off MB, casinos, PF discrimination, every stupid little thing that "isn't fair" is open game.