In NA, FFXI released one year after it did in JP

[Dargoth_Draconia]

FFXI was a much better game in beta than this game is right now a year after release. But anyway, I think you're just trying to say "maybe it's not so bad after all". I think it is so bad, but it will work out. I hope some of us can argue successfully here in favor of this game being a lot more fun than it will be if it merely copies and pastes FFXI.

You say this but I have talked to several players who played Japanese beta and Japanese launch and told me the state of FFXI was worse than the state of FFXIV at launch. They said not until the first expansion Rise of Zilart was the game really in a playable state.

[Wolfie]

You say this but I have talked to several players who played Japanese beta and Japanese launch and told me the state of FFXI was worse than the state of FFXIV at launch. They said not until the first expansion Rise of Zilart was the game really in a playable state.

Does it really matter? FFXI is a decade old. There is absolutely no reason to use FFXI's launch state as an excuse for FFXIV's launch state.

[XxOstiaxX]

It still is. With the amount of AoE abilities every class waves around now, the new PvP zone is just an easy-way to melt your computer. Once everyone piles together and starts nuking the whole screen turns multi-colour and runs at about 1 frame a millenia.

Dungeon queues take about 30 minutes, sometimes longer, unless you're a tank or healer.

And honestly the amount of ACTUAL players is probably back to 4-6 million, most of the numbers they added were trial accounts or multi-accounts.

Sooooo glad I don't play it anymore XD

Eh... Yeah they still lag in PVP, but it cant be compared to the old day's, old day's the server and zone would crash, now you get a lag here and there, you get long dungeon timers, if you are not a healer or tank, and erm they never used trial accounts to account for their numbers

[Roaran]

Does it really matter? FFXI is a decade old. There is absolutely no reason to use FFXI's launch state as an excuse for FFXIV's launch state.

The point is, in both games they made a similar decision. If you think it was a bad idea, releasing FFXI early; then you would think they had learned nothing from that "mistake," and made the same decision in regards to FFXIV.

BUT, if you think the early release of FFXI helped contribute to FFXI becoming a better game, then SE would have done the same thing for FFXIV.


Remember FFXI Lasted for years and will last for more years to come. What the initial reactions are and what the state of the initial release pales in comparison to what the game WILL be in 2-3 years. In both FFXI and FFXIV they released each game at the same critical stage, where they needed actual player feedback. Because the actual state of the game 2-3 years from now is immensely more important than what the initial reaction is, SE released both games early for the same reasons.

My point has been and still is; NOONE can argue that THE ACTUAL STATE OF THE GAME TODAY AND IN THE FUTURE would have been better if FFXIV remained in SE's hands completely. If it hadn't been for the player feedback at such a critical time, many features would not have been changed, many plans would not have been made, and there would not be as much pressure as there is now. Plus we wouldn't have Yoshi either.