Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Ashkendor]

Tanks that think DPS are their dogs and will use LB the second they command them to.

If you won't use it, I will. Enjoy that defense bonus! :3

While running for my Relic (as tank) I found about half the runs had at least one bomb hit. In A4 as MT, I usually have to grab 1-2 adds each pop. I really hope this training hall teaches people to pay attention to mechanics as well.

Dude, I'm having to grab adds as healer in there on a regular basis. It's either grab and kill one add off the other healer or die to all 3 adds while everyone ignores me. I die, we wipe, and people bitch "where da healz??" Then there's the ones that run into the orbs when I'm already standing right on top of them. Thanks genius, now I have to heal both of us. Seriously, some of these DPS need to pull their heads out and handle mechanics correctly. It's like everyone's just forgetting to cross-class Situational Awareness. -.-

[Whiteroom]

If you won't use it, I will. Enjoy that defense bonus! :3



Dude, I'm having to grab adds as healer in there on a regular basis. It's either grab and kill one add off the other healer or die to all 3 adds while everyone ignores me. I die, we wipe, and people bitch "where da healz??" Then there's the ones that run into the orbs when I'm already standing right on top of them. Thanks genius, now I have to heal both of us. Seriously, some of these DPS need to pull their heads out and handle mechanics correctly. It's like everyone's just forgetting to cross-class Situational Awareness. -.-

Lol, the amount of times I've had Nisi brought to me as MT...

Honestly yeah, I'm tired of getting kicked because I want the run to actually go smoothly.
The run right after the previous we had a tank that didn't know you were supposed to drag oppressor to the other side...

Omg, the number of tanks I run into that want to run some modified savage set up that their static does but expect you to know what theirs is withou talking... I actually made macros of questions to find out what they wanted, based on how they pulled.

I really dislike when some tank runs it like savage as they are only doing it to show, "Hey! Look! I run savage!"

9/10 pulls are your standard "Pull to the south side." set up. Thats what people are used too, and given they can't even pick up the adds half the time, don't mess with them. I see a bunch of wipes because of this, so it really doesn't save time.

[File2ish]

Wait 20-25 minutes for a leveling roulette. Get Dusk Vigil.

Tank pulls first 3 mobs to the first behemoth thing, dies. We wipe. Healer couldn't keep up (SCH), tank (DRK) also not using Grit. Check healer's gear, i100-110 PvP gear (all body, weapon, and accessories). Tank jokes that's the fastest he ever died.

BLM suggests we take it slow. We take it slower.

Things smooth until after the first set of mobs after the first boss. Tank tired of not face pulling and pulls a big group out of tank stance. Healer can't keep up, wipe again.

"I had 5 CDs up" the tank says.

"It's not that hard to heal" says the black mage.

"Kick me if you think I'm bad" replies the Scholar.

I start typing he's doing fine, but before I hit enter he leaves by his own volition and eats the timer.

Tank pulls mobs again healer-less. Laughs when we wipe again, and leaves.

"Good luck my bard friend" says the BLM, as she leaves.




Moral of the story? Don't be a prick; can't adapt to other players and no one will have a good time. Wasted all of our time.

[Immut]

Omg, the number of tanks I run into that want to run some modified savage set up that their static does but expect you to know what theirs is withou talking... I actually made macros of questions to find out what they wanted, based on how they pulled.

I don't know how it's done in savage but my fc worked out our own way to do a1n. I partly do it because it's better, I mostly do it just to mess with people because after 140 runs I need to spice it up. It's amazing how many tanks don't have any situational awareness whatsoever. They'll just stand there with the tether on because they're kitty-corner to each other and be like I MUST BE ON THE SOUTH WALL, EAST IS VERBOTEN.

Edit: even funnier is the reaction i get doing adds myself, just dragging the whole mess around. it's not like the dps planned to be hitting the boss anyway.

[TheUltimateSeph]

So yeah, it's the healers fault, as usual. This was Sohm Al. The accidental pull by me was near the last boss. After a trash pack was over I stopped on some steps to type some more and after a few seconds a dragon came down from the sky and spawned on top of me. I totally forgot about that one >_< Also I let the tank die on accident near the beginning of the dungeon but I raised him quick enough and we didn't wipe so it was a decent recovery. This is what I get for trying to help speed it up though.

The cherry on top, the tank was a warrior.

PS. I'm Seraph Morningstar in case anyone without a brain jumps on the whole defamation thing. (You'd be surprised, or maybe you wouldn't)

[Malicewolf]

So, I did Ex roulette with an FC mate. Got Aboretum. I tanked it as PLD and we had the following lineup; WHM, BRD, BLM. I do the first pull and I simply only do the 1st group (as I like to gauge my team prior to pulling big). Now usually, when I pull, I start with Shield lob, do a flash, fast blade, savage blade, FoF, CoS, Rage of Halone. I spread out the hits across the 1st three targets. This usually causes me absolutely no issues keeping hate and I just continue my rotation with my enmity combo from here. Nope. Not this time. Now, you'd probably think it'd be the BLM giving me a run for my money. It wasn't. It was the WHM. My god, this person loved Holy. My thoughts:
First Holy: oh, he's using holy, great.
Second Holy: huh, two in a row. Cool.
Third Holy: uh, I think I should flash again.
Fourth Holy: What the what?! Why's he's still using it?! FLASH, FLASH!!!

I didn't really mind this, but it was simply surprising to see a WHM holy so many times in a row. But nothing went wrong with the pull what-so-ever. So we proceeded and the next few mobs, he didn't do that anymore (just the occasional 1 holy). Then we get to the 1st boss. I do my usual routine. If the healer doesn't apply stoneskin, I do (and in this case, he did not). And then I pop Divine Veil with my macro that very clearly says, "Using Divine Veil. Please heal me to activate." So now I'm waiting. 10 seconds go by. I jump up and down hoping he's just not paying attention.
Then when it hit 15 seconds, I type in, "Pls heal me".
He says, "Why"
"It activates my ability"
"It's just the 1st boss"
Divine Veil is over. Ugh. I just say, "It expired, I'll explain it later" and then pull the boss.

Then I notice, the BLM has a big red circle of D/C over him. You gotta be kidding me... So he's standing there. We're playing as we should. Then of course, extremely bad breath is right on top of him. Healer doesn't notice he's D/C'ing and is trying to heal him through it. It doesn't work, BLM goes down and healer follows soon after since we can't kill all the balloon things and they're exploding on us. Boss is probably half hp. I decide (stupidly), eh, maybe I can try to just keep goring blade up and constantly get MP from riot blade along the way and heal us (it didn't work). So we respawn and the healer immediately says "BLM, wanna try not standing in the AoE's?" I assume he just didn't see the disconnect (and it's now been about 6-7 minutes since he's been D/C'ing). I mention he was D/C'ing and that maybe we should boot. The vote is done and he's gone. Then I simply tell the healer, "before boss pulls, I use Divine Veil because it has a short radius and it's easy to apply beforehand. It's just a 30 second shield with 10% of my hp added to you, but it won't activate unless you heal me "
I put the damn smiley in there so he wouldn't see through my seething hatred that he ignored it last time.
His answer... "It's just the 1st boss, we don't need it". Honestly. This is true. But by damn, it has such a long CD. It's one. Freaking. Cure. Just do it.
"Any mitigation is helpful though " (notice I'm still using smiley's to hide my frustration)
"Whatever"

So now, I simply do not like our healer's attitude. But I need him to, you know, heal me. We get a 4th, a MCH. We take out the 1st boss just fine. Healer even healed me when I used Divine veil this time (though he waited until I said something again 15 seconds in). Make it to the 2nd boss with a slight complication right before the boss (i got hit by final sting, too many wasps used it and we were simply trying to burn the wall and bolt for it). I was the only one who died and I just booked it over after. 2nd boss, I use Divine Veil again. He healed me this time within the 1st 10 seconds. Yay, he's getting it.

Here's where it got fun. We kill the 1st bunch just fine. Then the 2nd pull comes. Now. I've had my fair share of wipes here doing big pulls on the 2nd part. So usually, I try to cut it down a bit just so we don't bother with the wipe. So I hit the tree guy and am staying there. I see the WHM running away and not healing me. Ugh, ok fine, guess he wanted a bigger pull, fine. I pull the tree guy to the next area and do the next mob there. Doing my thing. WHM is out of my screen view though, but don't think anything of it. Until. I suddenly see bears. He picked up the bears and brought them to me. What a wonderful gift.

I start flashing away to pull the aggro since my CoS is on CD and all the while, dodging the already numerous amounts of AoE's on the ground aimed at me. Of course, I'm popping my defensive CD's. Then it got a little rocky at one point (was down to 300 hp), so I pop Hallowed Ground. Healer got me back up in hp. Now at this point, I have used up Rampart, Foresight, Sentinel, convalescence, bulwark hallowed ground, and sheltron (sheltron multiple times). I'm out of defensive CDs and we've only killed the big tree guy. My thought process at this point...
"Oh boy. I pop awareness now, because, uh, why not. Guess tempered will won't hurt too. I dunno, I'm desperate. Divine Veil is available again! I might die, so guess I can use that to give a buffer to the DPS."
Of course, I've been flashing a lot and using CoS whenever I could to keep aggro as well as my enmity rotation. Now I will say. This healer was doing well. He has kept me up and with this many enemies hitting me for this long, it was obvious he was good. But god did I hate him at this moment. I had to start kiting to stay alive until we got the 2 lowest hp killed. Then it was manage-able. But of course, manage-able for me means "let's spam holy again" for the WHM. My MP is already low from the multitude of flashes I had to do to hold hate prior. We get through it. I didn't lose hate. Last group before the boss. The trees. Thank god (or so i thought). Holy spam again. Right off the bat too. I'm probably exaggerating a bit, but it seriously felt like it went like this.
Holy
Flash
Holy
Fast blade
Holy
Savage blade
Holy
"oh god, I'm gonna lose hate on 2 of them if I don't flash."
Flash
Holy
Fast blade
Riot Blade
Holy
Flash

Continue until mob dies. I'm pretty sure he put in a heal or 2 in there as well. Last boss practically flawless. I left hating that healer. Mostly because he was a damn good healer. But that attitude. Ugh.

[Whiteroom]

^

Lol, when I WHM, I'm going to holy till I just about have aggro, if not aggro, then shroud of saints and more holy.


That is of course if you are a tank who uses defensive CD, which seems to be a rare breed today.


On a fun note, had a low ilevel WAR in fractal today who disliked CD, but loved Deliverance, when both dps and myself were max ilvl...

[CyrilLucifer]

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Wait, you mean most WHM don't use Holy that many times in a row?

I genuinely had no idea. Once I get into Cleric I usually do a minimum of 3 before I pop out. In something like Nevereap or FC I can usually get 4-5+Assize+Shroud without leaving it, because of Divine Seal Regens and Asylum.

[Malicewolf]

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I didn't mind the holy as much as the attitude. But the holy just caught me off guard. I've never seen it spammed so many times in a row. I'm a STR tank as well, so usually I have no issues keeping hate. This was a challenge to say the least. Only because he'd always be right on the cusp of taking 2 at the same time, hence, flashing away. And you know. Flash does no dmg. So, while I'm spamming flash, I'm not dealing out dmg and if I have to break my combo's to put a flash out, then, that's also a loss in DPS. MCH and BRD combo aren't exactly hard hitters (but hey, the WHM basically had an unending supply of mana...)

Wait, you mean most WHM don't use Holy that many times in a row?

I genuinely had no idea. Once I get into Cleric I usually do a minimum of 3 before I pop out. In something like Nevereap or FC I can usually get 4-5+Assize+Shroud without leaving it, because of Divine Seal Regens and Asylum.

Perhaps I just haven't gotten a lot of WHM healers... Now that I think about it, i usually don't have WHM healers oddly enough. One's I have had though don't un-endingly use Holy from my knowledge. It was just a bad mix of jobs together though. PLD (who can't spam a dmg AoE), BRD and MCH DPS (lower dmg output, but great support), WHM using Holy. BRD was doing mana regen, MCH was using AoE turret.

[Immut]

Perhaps I just haven't gotten a lot of WHM healers... Now that I think about it, i usually don't have WHM healers oddly enough. One's I have had though don't un-endingly use Holy from my knowledge. It was just a bad mix of jobs together though. PLD (who can't spam a dmg AoE), BRD and MCH DPS (lower dmg output, but great support), WHM using Holy. BRD was doing mana regen, MCH was using AoE turret.

On the contrary, pld/whm is an amazing combo. Shroud ensures they aren't going to take hate as long as you're flashing. To take full advantage of a whm healer you should pull with convalescence up because as a white mage, i'll be putting divine seal regen on you at the start. Wait for the first three holies since it's a 6 second stun, then, depending on how much damage you're taking relative to their boosted regen, pick and choose cooldowns accordingly. when you dip below, say, 75% hp, hallowed ground so they can keep the holy train rolling. Remember unlike holmgang and living dead, you don't have to be at low hp for it to do something.

Even the easy dungeons can be hard if you challenge yourself, and your reward is faster clears.

It sounds to me like that whm wasn't using shroud of saints, but on the other hand hallowed ground isn't a panic button, it's a standard part of your cooldown rotation. Though if you were able to use ALL of those cooldowns, dps may have been lacking as well.