Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[SpiritMuse]

Just had the oddest Brayflox NM run. Well, the oddest tank, anyway. They started off by pulling the first two packs together, then died because the healer want prepared for that. Then of course the healer died, and the BLM too. I survived only because I only had aggro on one mob so the rest didn't go after me. And the tank kept rushing ahead throughout, except in the one large room they spent a lot of time pulling every single mob pack in a seemingly random order. During this they did a too-large pull once again which wiped them and the healer and eventually the BLM too. Again I managed to survive only by running away really fast, with all the mobs trailing after me until I met the rest of the party again and we managed to get them down. And all the time during fights, they were constantly, slowly, sliding forwards and backwards into and out of the mobs. To the point where they would end up spinning the mobs and making hitting positionals just that bit more annoying.

But at least they knew how to position the final boss. Although, again, they ended up spinning him at least once due to walking into him. And they never said a single word.

[Malicewolf]

Just had the oddest Brayflox NM run. Well, the oddest tank, anyway. They started off by pulling the first two packs together, then died because the healer want prepared for that. Then of course the healer died, and the BLM too. I survived only because I only had aggro on one mob so the rest didn't go after me. And the tank kept rushing ahead throughout, except in the one large room they spent a lot of time pulling every single mob pack in a seemingly random order. During this they did a too-large pull once again which wiped them and the healer and eventually the BLM too. Again I managed to survive only by running away really fast, with all the mobs trailing after me until I met the rest of the party again and we managed to get them down. And all the time during fights, they were constantly, slowly, sliding forwards and backwards into and out of the mobs. To the point where they would end up spinning the mobs and making hitting positionals just that bit more annoying.

But at least they knew how to position the final boss. Although, again, they ended up spinning him at least once due to walking into him. And they never said a single word.

Actually, that sounds more like an issue with the healer. Though, the tank should have stopped doing big pulls when it failed the 1st time. If the healer couldn't keep him up from 2 mobs, then he really shoulda known that he wasn't going to survive another or more... As for the sliding in and out of mobs, I've had to do that as well depending on the circumstances. First thought is they were avoiding AoE's and the mob was simply too big (therefore, you're basically circling them to avoid as they each start placing AoE's down). Second thought is that since the healer was failing, the next best mitigation tool after using all your CDs is to kite... It may seem silly to see a tank running away from a mob, but even just taking a few less auto attacks a second will greatly help preserve hp. It's not recommended, but from what you wrote, it sounds like the healer just couldn't keep this guy up and the tank was trying to continue doing big pulls and trying to do everything he could to keep up.

But overall, the fault lies with the tank in terms of his judgement. Just because YOU can handle bigger pulls doesn't mean your team can. I've said it many times, but if one of the trinity roles can't perform, you all will fail. If a tank can't hold aggro, you will wipe. If a healer can't keep the tank alive, you will wipe. If the DPS can't burn the adds, you will likely wipe from resource depletion.

[Nalyna]

I was healing a group today. First thing one of the DPS says is that the tank needs to do big pulls. Okay. You don't know how good the tank is. You don't know how good I am for that matter. For the record, I''m pretty good if I do say so myself, but he doesn't know that. But that wasn't the strange thing. The whole time he's yelling for big pulls, he's hardly DPSing. He's running around in circles, back and forth, jumping around. Throwing a hit here and there. It was like he wanted us to carry him through the dungeon. So even though I could heal the big pulls, they took longer to down than necessary. Weird.

Edit: Oh! Also, at the beginning he was doing some AOE and he remarked that the sound was annoying. He stopped doing it LOL

[Powe]

It was leveling my ninja in brayflox, there was a smn, warrior and a whm. So the warrior is pulling the mobs and stuff, and i notice the whm isn't healing much, like a cure II when the warrior got to half hp but we manage the pulls without dying. But the first boss, it went bad. Warrior died because the whm wasn't healing, i ask if they're still there. The mother types " sorry, she gets distracted easily" it was a 8 year old healing. The party disbanded there.

[SpiritMuse]

Actually, that sounds more like an issue with the healer. Though, the tank should have stopped doing big pulls when it failed the 1st time. If the healer couldn't keep him up from 2 mobs, then he really shoulda known that he wasn't going to survive another or more... As for the sliding in and out of mobs, I've had to do that as well depending on the circumstances. First thought is they were avoiding AoE's and the mob was simply too big (therefore, you're basically circling them to avoid as they each start placing AoE's down). Second thought is that since the healer was failing, the next best mitigation tool after using all your CDs is to kite... It may seem silly to see a tank running away from a mob, but even just taking a few less auto attacks a second willgreatly help preserve hp. It's not recommended, but from what you wrote, it sounds like the healer just couldn't keep this guy up and the tank was trying to continue doing big pulls and trying to do everything he could to keep up.

But overall, the fault lies with the tank in terms of his judgement. Just because YOU can handle bigger pulls doesn't mean your team can. I've said it many times, but if one of the trinity roles can't perform, you all will fail. If a tank can't hold aggro, you will wipe. If a healer can't keep the tank alive, you will wipe. If the DPS can't burn the adds, you will likely wipe from resource depletion.

No, it wasn't kiting or just avoiding AoE, I know what that looks like. It was just this very slowly sliding forwards and backwards into the mob they were targeting, all within melee range, during an otherwise normal fight. It was the strangest thing. And the healer was absolutely fine, there was no trouble at all except for the two times the tank overpulled. It was just.... weird.

[Artemiz]

Well I'm having a great day doing my daily roulettes of fun. It all started when I did my first one, the level 50 roulette. I get Keeper of the Lake which is my least favourite (2nd day in a row now, obviously) but I'm on BLM so I should be good, it all goes well until we get to last boss, tank dies and we wipe. We give him 10 minutes to come back but eventually have to kick at which point the healer bails... so me and the other BLM wait about 10 mins for more replacements before face rolling the boss.

Time for 60 roulette which i obviously get BLM's best friend, Nevereap. All goes well untill last boss when tank dies and goes AFK, we eventually have to kick and wait 10 minutes for a rep. I can't believe it's happened to me twice in two runs but whatever.

Next up is Story roulette and I do it as SCH, it went great, woo.

Now for leveling roulette as DRK, I get SV which I'm happy about, its right for my level anyway and I've spammed it as tanks so I know it really well. Turns out the party sucks, I'm not parsing or anything but I didn't need to be to work out I was top DPS as the tank and the healer can barely keep me alive, we get through with the skin of our teeth on the first boss with both DPS dead. Get to second boss where we wipe twice before the vote abandon goes through.....

I'm going to try again now and surely it can't be 4 bad runs in one night but ya never know, after that it's Void Ark and what could possible go wrong there........ lol

[Vidu]

Sooo... I just got my AST to 60 finally... sadly, the last part was long and painful journey through the libary - I actually love that dungeon so I was looking forward to it! But now... I have to share some stories because otherwise I wont be able to sleep tonight, boiling with so much anger...

1) First run! Got a paladin with 10k HP... wait, I ask myself, why does he has nearly as much HP as the dragoon, thats weird? Turns out hes one of those "only-str"-tanks, well, okay I can deal with that, he'll use cooldowns, right? ...nope, he wont... because I wanna help deeps a bit I switch cleric on and off anyways... sadly, and I have to admit it was my fault, he dies and is freaking out on me that I should stop dpsing since its not my job and that I shouldnt mess around with cards but only heal him... at that point I ask him for str-gear, because, well after all he is a tank, right?! Been told that every tank is using str-jewls now - I'm already pissed and reply with "yeah and every healer is dpsing today, so whats your problem?" We're making our way to the second boss, I have yet to see a CD - asking him about that a few times and been told that he wont need CDs and that I'm only a lzay dps-healer for asking for them. Yup, lazy, for not only casting my 2 healing spells. Takling a deeeeeep breath at that point. Apologized for his death and admit that I was trying to use a skill I wasnt familiar yet because I just got it (the bubble didnt had the effect I was hoping for...), tell him that I main paladin and I'm mostly using CDs to allow my healer to help dps if he could do so aswell, please?

...and... the miracle happens... hes behaving like an adult - doesnt say a word but there they are! All the pretty, shiney, paladin-cooldowns I've been missing so much!
Sadly, the bard wasnt that clever - he kept his ballad up for the whole run even though I told him four times that I dont need it...

2) Second run! Quite smooth - but our dragoon is using the lb on the first boss, really no big deal, it will be back before we even reach boss 2, let alone the last one. Ninjas blames him, I explain why its no problem at all and he explains that he has been told off before doing so... so instead of using his brain and adepted that reasoning to call other people out - gg!

3) Third run! A warrior tank this time, totall undergeared - still a bit of AF2, poetics and strat-gear, a level 54 axe... well, not so great... constantly loosing aggro aswell - to me, the dps, everyone... but we will manage, right?! ...nope, we wont, not with this tank at least - he got his war to 60 right before the first boss and bails... managed to get a friend in and had the most beautiful libary-run after all!

4) Last one! Everything seems fine so far... but I noticed that mobs are dying extremly sloooow... dragoon is lagging, so might be because of that? Turns he out he isnt only lagging but also has NO idea about how to play his class. Kepping heavy thrust up is the best I can say about him... no dots, no debuffs, no buffs, no heart of the dragon (the new HW-skill, not sure if its really called that?). I ask for it, because mobs not dying makes me nervous. Hes using them for like 2 pulls? after we finished the dungeon within an hour(!) I advice him to look into his dragoonskills again, because he could improve by quite a bit... getting the (sadly) normal response "Dont tell me how to play!" - I knew I would get that, still makes me angry because I'm so sick of people close/at level 60 that doesnt have a clue about how to play their class - if you cant do more than 1, 2, 3 go, level bard, dont pick one of the hardest jobs in the game, please...

...even though... I met at least 3 bards while leveling who didnt had their menuett - level 55, 57 and 59 - because they never did their job quests... well, my ast is level 60 now though, so I can avoid the DF for a while...

[Saiah]

Doing the Vault as monk. The tank was a DRK who seemed to be playing around with his attack animation. Everytime he used an ability he would run through the enemy, turning him around. Making it rather difficult for me and the dragoon to apply positionals. When I asked him what he was doing, he just said he didnt care and told me to adapt.

He had a fitting name. It was something in the lines of "lonewolf".*

I managed to make him stop doing it by lying that I was recording.

*Not his exact name so not naming and shaming.

[Heliantheae]

Got a funny story, got CM for my roulette today and everything was fine the entire run. Until the boss fight, I ran over to load the missiles and my foot got stuck. I didn't know what to do, I was hopping up and down like crazy, it looked like I was fuming. I got two comms, but I think that was more my bunny chief glamour than anything.

3) - he got his war to 60 right before the first boss and bails... managed to get a friend in and had the most beautiful libary-run after all!

Yesterday I got Library for daily, it was a join in progress because the other guy hit 60 and just bailed. Apparently it was during the first boss too because they fighting it and complaining about the guy when I joined.

[AlphaFox]

Pretty interesting run in Cutters Cry a few mins ago doing my leveling roulette. Pretty much half asleep and after 20mins of waiting finally got in on my Blackmage. Get in and our tank is a Paladin, we say our hellos, pulls the first group and the first fire spell I cast I take hate. Think nothing of it as we also got the first time bonus so I just figure i'll calm down and wait. Check the tank and realize its not him as he has level 60s. Get to the first boss and he holds hate fairly fine for the most part, I am dancing on the line of Orange tho. Realize that he is on Sword oath, having waited I just kinda shruged it off as we are making progress. Second boss comes and basically its a tug-of-war between me, the paladin and the dragoon. After he goes under I speak up "Isn't shield oath level 40?" I see the tank freeze and I brace for insults, Shield Oath is up and after he says "it was greyed out, thought it was level 45" we laugh and the rest of the run goes on with no issue. :3