3 BLMs, 1 BRD and no Foe's = Sadness

[Critical-Limit]

I'm not quite understanding where commendations come into play here.

Yeah that guy makes no sense. So because there are a decent number of tanks that don't use cool down, you are upset because when you do you don't get one? That's your job. That shouldn't be a free commendation, it should be the bare minimum to be considered.

It doesn't take an incredible amount of skill to keep up Foes

[Canadane]

Typing an auto-translate 'Foe's Requiem' into party chat is usually enough of a hint for most bards.

[bounddreamer]

Was leveling BRD in main scenario roulette yesterday and had a monk question my use of Foe's when all the dps were melee/ranged. I said "it works for the SCH too..." At the time I put up Foe's the SCH was in cleric stance. At least he said "fair enough."

[Kaurie]

. Now, I main bard so when I see three black mages in my group, my first thought goes to putting up Foe's. So, this was my expectation with this bard.

Very sad story

Honestly, though. Your first thought should be putting up foes regardless of your party composition - as there is always a healer in your party, there is always someone who can take advantage of it - and you don't need to save the MP for any content you are duty finding. If your healer doesn't DPS and you have all melee, I'd hold off on playing it on the next pull though

[Critical-Limit]

Was leveling BRD in main scenario roulette yesterday and had a monk question my use of Foe's when all the dps were melee/ranged. I said "it works for the SCH too..." At the time I put up Foe's the SCH was in cleric stance. At least he said "fair enough."

Let's assume we get a healer in the future that can't dPS and you get all melee. Keeping up foes doesn't do anything negative so there isn't any reason to complain. Unless of course your party is for some reason always out of resources but that probably means you got worse problems elsewhere in the party

[Kuwagami]

Let's assume we get a healer in the future that can't dPS and you get all melee. Keeping up foes doesn't do anything negative so there isn't any reason to complain. Unless of course your party is for some reason always out of resources but that probably means you got worse problems elsewhere in the party

there are such times when you meet a non-dps healer, non magical tank (well, there is only one magical tank AoE anyway and DRK aren't really spamming it anyway, but yay dps increase) AND a monk who knows how to AoE in a dungeon. Then you're better off saving MP for Paeon on trash pulls because it will ensure a faster run overall through AoE abuse than if you stick with Foe for a non-dpsing healer.

[bounddreamer]

There was another bard besides myself and they put up Army's Paean later in the fight. We were pretty much covered.

[Saseal]

some people don't wanna use it because the cast time causes their own dps to get slightly lower.

Foes doesn't lower the bard's dps - only ballad and peon... and the cast time is not all that long. I'm pretty sure the output given to the SMNs/BLMs/DPSing healers more than makes up for the 1 or 2 seconds it takes to get Foes going. There's really no not to play Foes in that party set up...

In response to OP....
/cry I would have been chomping at the bit for that many BLMs...

Hell... every time I go on my Bard alt (and I played it a LOT when I broke my finger, as it was easier to adapt my change of hand placement, than high movement MNK or healing), and I see the rest of the DPS are casters, I get all excited and the first thing out of my chat box is, "Oh boy, oh boy! BLMs/casters! +_+".

[Saseal]

What I want to know more is why he was using Army's Paeon ... I've never had to use AP or Mage's Ballad ever since ... what, 2.5 came out? I've never been in a situation where it was necessary, everyone's so TP and MP efficient now, especially if a Ninja's on the loose. The only place they'd have needed use anymore is in Savage (or an instance with a lot of resurrecting).

I've used it when a melee or myself either a.) is spamming AoEs for a large mob and became low on TP while mob is still alive, or b.) melee was just raised and the healer didn't need the mp at the moment.
It's possible the guy was spamming AoE attacks, but that's all I've got for ideas o_oa

[Iagainsti]

Was leveling BRD in main scenario roulette yesterday and had a monk question my use of Foe's when all the dps were melee/ranged. I said "it works for the SCH too..." At the time I put up Foe's the SCH was in cleric stance. At least he said "fair enough."

Bring a summoner with you, cast foe req, wait till the debuff is applied, have him cast miasma or bio (both are unaspected), stop singing foe req, have him try and reapply bio once the foe req debuff disappears. It will not apply because the game won't allow you to overwrite a stronger DoT with a weaker one. You can also observe the damage done to be roughly 15% higher.

Same goes for SCH, you want that Bard to sing Foe's righ at the beginning of any pull, or FR+BV at the start of any boss fight for maximum affect with any ARC job.