3 BLMs, 1 BRD and no Foe's = Sadness

[AskaRay]

Granted if it's just a WHM or AST foes should be asked for...half the time SCHs don't even dps so why waste mp when it's not making any difference...and I say that cause I've played foes for the healers before and they are dps'n like 30% of the time or not at all

I usually wait to see the first couple pulls if they're doing DPS or not.

Besides what are you saving your MP for? Paeon??? Pft.

[Skivvy]

This works both ways.

1 BLM, 1 SCH, Foes on every pull, BV enhanced on bosses. No commendation.

I'm not quite understanding where commendations come into play here. "I'm not going to get commendations, so why should I use Foe?" is horrible reasoning if that's the implication. :X For what it's worth, I will always commend the bard who uses their songs.

People looking for steady commendations should stick to healers and tanks.

[Pison]

I almost exclusively play Bard, and it makes me cringe when I hear stuff about this. I always put up Foes (sometimes I forget to on some smaller pulls, but I always put it up on bosses) whenever there is a BLM or SMN in my party. I will say that for whatever reason I had conditioned myself in the past to never put Foes up in dungeons whenever there wasn't a caster DPS in the party, even though WHM/AST/SCH could take advantage of it if they wanted to. Still trying to remedy that ... I almost always forget to, though.

What I want to know more is why he was using Army's Paeon ... I've never had to use AP or Mage's Ballad ever since ... what, 2.5 came out? I've never been in a situation where it was necessary, everyone's so TP and MP efficient now, especially if a Ninja's on the loose. The only place they'd have needed use anymore is in Savage (or an instance with a lot of resurrecting).

[wicked-one]

Sad, true story here:
My soul was destroyed a little...

[AskaRay]

What I want to know more is why he was using Army's Paeon ... I've never had to use AP or Mage's Ballad ever since ... what, 2.5 came out? I've never been in a situation where it was necessary, everyone's so TP and MP efficient now, especially if a Ninja's on the loose. The only place they'd have needed use anymore is in Savage (or an instance with a lot of resurrecting).

Sometimes I'll use it for big AOE and I absentmindedly used Quick Nock a few too many times.
I've also used it for a few TP-starved members...so it isn't unheard of, but. Mostly those times I'm with no casters and a non-DPSing healer, thus I'm not singing anyway. (And it's never been in a boss fight, just big trash pulls). And I'll usually sing Ballad for a bit if I see a healer had to rez someone a few times and they're a bit low on MP.
People still mess up their TP and MP management in dungeons, trust me.

[Jetstream_Fox]

Sometimes I'll use it for big AOE and I absentmindedly used Quick Nock a few too many times.
I've also used it for a few TP-starved members...so it isn't unheard of, but. Mostly those times I'm with no casters and a non-DPSing healer, thus I'm not singing anyway. (And it's never been in a boss fight, just big trash pulls). And I'll usually sing Ballad for a bit if I see a healer had to rez someone a few times and they're a bit low on MP.
People still mess up their TP and MP management in dungeons, trust me.

Pretty much this.

Foe drains mp rather quickly with or without battle voice even with 6k mp. Going to estimate really hard here but I probably get about 2 minutes with it on using Battle Voice. This is one of the main reasons when I built my Zeta I put piety into the bow to attempt to get more out of the skill. But there have been many times I had to use other songs instead of Foe, like a healer going down or a tank, gotta throw out Paeon or Ballad. So I basically utilize my mp for situations where players are mp/tp starved, since imo getting a healer back up to heal or tank back up to tank, is more important at times then that 10-20% magic resistance.

[Warlyx]

same could be said for warriors when i play nin , no slashing debuff , or when i go with nin , no trick atack at all...dont get me started on SMN that dont rez....ppl in DF go in auto mode or dont care at all.....is ramuh hard mode ....blink and u miss the kill...

[Reinha]

I'm one of those healers that likes to dps the hell out of instances to save us all some time on these repetitive runs. Every time I get a Bard that doesn't use Foe's (which is pretty often), I die a little inside. And we shouldn't have to ask for it either. It's your job. You see a caster in your party, you use Foe's... which is clearly beyond most of their comprehension and ability.

A healer isn't the same as a caster dps though. The bard can likely do more damage during the 3 second cast than what you alone gain from Foe.

[Fynlar]

Went into a Duty Roulette Trial and got Ramuh. Party consisted of 3 black mages and 1 bard. Now, I main bard so when I see three black mages in my group, my first thought goes to putting up Foe's. So, this was my expectation with this bard.

This was your first mistake.

[DarkDedede]

It's your job. You see a caster in your party, you use Foe's... which is clearly beyond most of their comprehension and ability.

No you shouldn't. However, a friendly reminder never hurt anyone one either (I'd go so far to say even a not so friendly reminder will do). Would be a much better use of energy than "dying a little," or however you put it.

Not everyone comes with the same level of omnipotence as you would prefer. I've even had healers that needed to be reminded to refresh protect (oh the scandal, right?). There was no inner torment or silent contempt, even though maintaining protect "is their job." Protect was refreshed and we moved on. Sometimes people need someone to play gadfly to get them to pay attention.

Just ask. It's really that simple. The rest is up to the bard. If they refuse, ignore, get offended at the request, or something else to spite you, then you may rush to the forum to complain.