Can we please stop locking content out of DF?

[Morbid]

Still seeing "but it's hard" as the excuse not to put it in DF. I think the pro-DF crowd has voiced enough that we understand it's difficult content and ACCEPT that success is not guaranteed.

I'm starting to lean towards the poster above. People would just be "jelly" if folks started clearing these contents through DF. I'm all for people having PF to use and setup groups. If that's how you want to complete it please go ahead and do so. Can I get the option to attempt it also?

Except I don't want to sit around with a bunch of people waiting for a group to fill. I much rather queue and passively wait while doing w/e for my chance at the gamble to come.

Simple as that.. don't let your limitation or disbelife hold others back. Let us fail please and thanks.

[FeliAiko]

'Anything can be put into DF' isn't a valid argument when it's evident that SE themselves has certain criteria on what they deem suitable for DF and what isn't. SE can also make it so you need a static in order to do all future MSQ content. Doesn't mean that it would be a good idea.

Trying to turn it into a 'elitists vs casuals' issue is also weak. There are resources available to you if you want to get into raiding. It's not SE's problem if you choose not to use them. Heck, they even put out a DF raid (Alex NM) so players that missed out on Coil's story can get to experience this one without feeling the need to commit to a static.

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People would just be "jelly" if folks started clearing these contents through DF.

Yes, those 4 MCHs thrown together into A4S would certainly get the clear...

[Kaurie]

The point we trying to make is DF does not setup required jobs for optimal setup to down the fights. A3s/A4s requires double melee, 1 Whm, 1 Sch/Ast, 1 Brd/Mch (Yes you have must have this Job), Caster, Warrior/Drk or Warrior/Pld, 2 Drg/Mnk/Nin. There's no denying it, nor trying to find other ways. It's the only setups that stand in a chance in making the checks.

Melee DPS Clock 1200-1500
Casters Clock 1100-1400
Ranged Clock 900-1200
Tank Clock 700-900

This is to say in A3s/A4s you should be doing. In DF, 95%+ randoms that enter it do not make the optimal level of what the job can do in basically any endgame content. A lot of people would be slaughtering each other by arguments for sucking on DPS, causing a massive outrage for coming in A3s/A4s and wasting peoples time.

This is the problem of why it's a bad idea.

5 of the top 10 DPS on A3S = BLM, in fact there are 18 BLM's before the first NIN makes the list - on FFLOGs http://www.fflogs.com/rankings/7#boss=20

[Undeadfire]

5 of the top 10 DPS on A3S = BLM, in fact there are 18 BLM's before the first NIN makes the list - on FFLOGs http://www.fflogs.com/rankings/7#boss=20

Yeah I won't doubt ya, Blm is insane in A3s. They get bullied in A4s.

[m3eansean]

Just use the PF Mei - I really dont understand why you think the DF will help you anymore than opening your own learning parties through the PF.

There are numerous practical reasons why raid-tier content is not added to the DF within at least 6 months of release. Barring any arguments about player skill, these two are primary factors:

-Party Comp
-Gear lockouts

This game has already set the precedent of adding raid tiers to the DF only after the next raid tier is released and the echo is introduced and the gear lockout lifted.

If you dont like this setup, you may party find a group to enter before it is added to DF (a lot of development went into this feature, please use it). Otherwise, your only option is to wait.

[hagare]

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So?
Difficulty or even success/failure is no reason to not have it in DF as people have already said.

People who can't stand those things can use PF. The option is there.
The ones who don't mind those things can do it in DF. But the option is not there.

Are the ones using difficulty as a reason to deny putting the content in DF so arrogant that they pity or look down on those who CHOOSE to do it in DF by saying it's too hard, you'll never clear it etc etc when it's been repeatedly stated that we don't mind it?

[Undeadfire]

Still other problems of why SE won't do it, not just that. M3eansean has already stated the primary issues and yes, there's multiple others of what you don't seem to comprehend.

Got normal mode to start the story and now want this? Geezus....

Savage is intended for the MC/Semi-HC/HC Raiders to get a challenge upon. SE would be forced to make the raid far too easy if they put it on DF. Why? Massive amounts of forum post complaining from non-raiders because they can't clear it. It will go on, and on, and on, and massive amounts of people are going to clear it by paying raiders to sell the wins, thus every raider will grow bored quickly of it.

What more reasons do we need to keep telling you? It's not going on it, end of.

[Morbid]

Lol You don't comprehend 'we' don't care and accept all the challenges that would come with DF as an option. Lol Why can't people just accept not everyone wants to be in a PF group and have to wait around and now are in a way 'obligated' to wait because you joined in the first place.

Then to be scrutinized because well now you don't feel up to it or have other stuff to take care of. People will say you wasted time and took a spot of someone who actually would've waited the whole time.

Lol.. SE just put it in DF and let the willing participants accept the outcome as is.

[hagare]

Still other problems of why SE won't do it, not just that. M3eansean has already stated the primary issues and yes, there's multiple others of what you don't seem to comprehend.

Got normal mode to start the story and now want this? Geezus....

Savage is intended for the MC/Semi-HC/HC Raiders to get a challenge upon. SE would be forced to make the raid far too easy if they put it on DF. Why? Massive amounts of forum post complaining from non-raiders because they can't clear it, it will go on, and on, and on. And massive amounts of people are going to clear it buy paying raiders to sell the wins, you need system balance.

What more reasons do we need to keep telling you? It's not going on it, end of.

the more technical reasons I can accept. Until SE can make it work somehow.

As for the whining of nerf? There's the arrogance.
As if there was no whining when Savage was introduced, and it's still not in DF xD

They are not forced to make anything easier, there's normal mode for that.
Putting it on DF would just make it more accessible to more people.
People would have more options to do it from.

Those incomplete static that is missing one or two roles for their practice might have a faster waiting time in DF rather than on PF because there's a bigger pool of players there.

There really is no cons to putting it on DF, it gives more options for players, it doesn't effect DF users, it opens up content to more players.
I can respect the argument that says SE can't put it in DF because of the technical reasons, but not those that keeps bringing up difficulty even when those who want it in DF don't mind it and those that can't stand it can use PF.

Yes, those 4 MCHs thrown together into A4S would certainly get the clear...

a risk that everyone who wants it in DF knows and accepts. Gladly.

[Colorful]

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Is that not exactly what happened with the group of raiders? I might have been dreaming and they didn't say that Midas would be significantly easier... Your argument falls flat as it applies to every raiding group that's not in the top 2%, this forum was filled with complaints about Savage, and it still has the occasional thread about it. You also state that they would be forced to make it incredibly easy, but again, this is why we have Alexander Normal.

I don't care for AS tbh, I just want Extreme Primals to be on the DF from the beginning. They are clearable on DF, period. You just need to get a decent group, just like with PF, and no, you can't just kick a poor performing player from PF and continue on. Another leaves and so follow the rest the majority of the time in my experience.