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  1. #161
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaperking386 View Post
    There are some exceptions to this rule such as bathing suits and event items that the Dev team and Yoshi P. have allowed, but just because these items are allowed does not mean we should make everything free game.
    I don't think being able to glamour equipment should be "free game," either. As I have said before, the player should still have to earn the right to glamour those additional pieces of gear. If the player wants to glamour a piece of tank gear on their caster gear, they should be required to have the necessary job leveled to equip the actual piece.

    All of the other restrictions would also still apply. For example, a piece should have to be equal or higher ilvl to what it is being glamoured as.

    By that logic, I don't think that AF should be restricted either. If I have earned the piece, and earned the necessary right to equip the piece, I should have the additional right to be able to glamour that piece to other jobs.
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    Last edited by DarkDedede; 01-11-2016 at 10:15 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkDedede View Post
    I don't think being able to glamour equipment should be "free game," either. As I have said before, the player should still have to earn the right to glamour those additional pieces of gear. If the player wants to glamour a piece of tank gear on their caster gear, they should be required to have the necessary job leveled to equip the actual piece.

    All of the other restrictions would also still apply. For example, a piece should have to be equal or higher ilvl to what it is being glamoured as.

    By that logic, I don't think that AF should be restricted either. If I have earned the piece, and earned the necessary right to equip the piece, I should have the additional right to be able to glamour that piece to other jobs.
    That is a possibility....It will still give alt classes a reason to level and seems fair. That will have to be something I can come to terms with if they do change their minds.
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    I agree with the Dev., I am the player who will be confused.

    Currently you can glamour what you can equip, it is the best rule.

    For what OP suggested, a LV60BRD can equip a BLM weapon, and then equip PLD ESO set.
    And pretty sure, the next, someone will request removing LV restriction,
    which means a LV1 MNK, should be able to equip a DRK wepon, and then equip WHM ESCO set. ^^;
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  4. #164
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicobo View Post
    I agree with the Dev., I am the player who will be confused.

    Currently you can glamour what you can equip, it is the best rule.

    For what OP suggested, a LV60BRD can equip a BLM weapon, and then equip PLD ESO set.
    And pretty sure, the next, someone will request removing LV restriction,
    which means a LV1 MNK, should be able to equip a DRK wepon, and then equip WHM ESCO set. ^^;
    What are you even talking about? Your post made me scratch my head in confusion.

    I'm sure that they wouldn't let people glamour other class weapons not made for that class...

    Also, I'm sure the OP was referring to ARMOR WISE. Some of the armor out there could be made to cross class. (Ex: Kirimu Coat would look great on healers and tanks!).
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  5. #165
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breezelyn View Post
    What are you even talking about? Your post made me scratch my head in confusion.
    ....
    Please think more deeply about the caption, OP requesting "no more job restrictions for glamour".
    Why I can't glamour my Sword to a Staff if there is no "job restriction?
    My example is excalty the same as what OP requesting.

    So you can say, oh only for armour. But weapon is under the same system.
    "no more job restrictions for glamour" definitely including weapons.
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    Last edited by Nicobo; 01-11-2016 at 11:06 AM. Reason: typo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaperking386 View Post
    The overall gaming experience concerning glamours are based on the Dev's decision in this and not the fan base even if their reasoning may not be good enough for you.
    Well aware of this. Here's another thing though: decisions can change. Nothing will be changed if there isn't a demand for change in the first place, so telling people not to voice their opinions because Devs made a decision over two years ago is silly and mildly oppressive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicobo View Post
    Please think more deeply about the caption, OP requesting "no more job restrictions for glamour".
    Why I can't glamour my Sword to a Staff if there is no "job restriction?
    My example is excalty the same as what OP requesting.

    So you can say, oh only for armour. But weapon is under the same system.
    "no more job restrictions for glamour" definitely including weapons.

    Could ppl review the whole system before making suggestion?
    Tbh, I did review it. Though, I'm pretty sure the Devs wouldn't do that weapon wise, because how would they fit the animations/skill effects in with your said example? Black mage staff over a bard weapon? I still can't see how it would fit. So, that's a pretty poor example to compare it honestly.

    They CAN lift some restrictions as I have mentioned in my previous post. I see no issues with it. Job restrictions as in certain armor pieces that could fit more than one job/class lifted.

    Also, is it really that hard to see someone's class? Clicking on someone and examining tells people what class/job they're currently on in BIG LETTERS under their current level. Also in parties you can see someone's class when opening the player window. Also you can see someone's class in the party list in dungeons/trails/rads. I can barely see how players would be, oh, 'so confused'. Probably a very few minority honestly. If you have a better example, I'd love to hear it.
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    Ninja's in full Wolfram plate. :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breezelyn View Post
    ....If you have a better example, I'd love to hear it.
    Actually I just want to point out current restriciton at least is consistent with most situations.
    About when and how to remove or change it, you may have read below Q&A, but I quote it here again, I quote this Q&A not only becasue YoshiP has explained for the restriction nicely, but in JP forum there is a section dedicated for the "particular request" mentioned in this Q&A as the follow-up.

    Maybe, the problem is NA forum doesn't has this section? ^^;

    The forum for particular request:
    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/f...ge2?order=desc

    //quote
    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...801-08-2015%29
    0:50:40
    Q: Can you ease up on the class and job restrictions for glamours to expand their use further?
    A: We’re gradually easing restrictions, but since FFXIV’s setting strives to be a real fantasy role-playing game, there is a possibility that players who are new will become confused, so we’d like to maintain certain rules for glamours such that you cannot be a mage that is wearing heavy armor.
    I’m not saying that this rule will still hold true 10 years down the road, but currently the upcoming expansion will have a dark fantasy setting and we’d like to preserve that aspect of the lore.
    However, we received a lot of feedback asking to make it possible for males to wear skirts to expand the use of glamours.
    The game is being development by a large amount of people, and if we don’t have easy to understand rules in place things will likely become a mess, so I’ve given the order to separate glamours for role and class, but if there are a large volume of requests for something in particular, there is a fair chance it will be addressed. We’d like to expand the ways you can glamour yourselves bit by bit.
    //end quote
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    Last edited by Nicobo; 01-11-2016 at 11:39 AM. Reason: update link

  10. #170
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicobo View Post
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    ...I still fail to realize why a mage can't wear a certain amount of heavy armor, or ninja wearing baggy pants (because I see most ninjas have some sort of baggy clothes)? You know, like the Daystar set for healers? High Allagan set? Those have a bit of heavy, metal armor pieces on here and there. Also, they're constantly making references to other Final Fantasy games in XIV. A few villains were mages and wore heavy armor (I'll have to go look these up. I'm sure there a few of them). So, I still fail to see the point. Pretty sure they can make certain armors cross-class, and people won't be confused whatsoever. That's still a very poor excuse to restrict certain armors that could go very well with other jobs/classes.

    Another good example: Cashmere skirt of healing. That can fit any class than just healers, you know.
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