The arrogance of some people

[ScarletDawn]

Wrong. Another ill informed person judging parsers without actually knowing what they can do.

I know that parser had healing per minute, but no one ever goes off that stat do they? Saying well the healer was really good they maintained a good healing per minute, nope instead its dps dps dps dps....im a healer by main role, its optional for me to dps not mandatory...same as its optional for Drg/Monks to off tank if needed.

Healing is a thankless job, most of the community blame you for everything.

[Whiteroom]

I know that parser had healing per minute, but no one ever goes off that stat do they? Saying well the healer was really good they maintained a good healing per minute, nope instead its dps dps dps dps....im a healer by main role, its optional for me to dps not mandatory...same as its optional for Drg/Monks to off tank if needed.

Healing is a thankless job, most of the community blame you for everything.

So you think a high HPS is a good thing?

I get lots of comms and thanks for healing. If you are not, maybe you are healing in a way that most people don't appreciate.

[ScarletDawn]

So you think a high HPS is a good thing?

Would you prefer i let the tank drop to 40% hp before healing? Spamming Cure 1 is more MP efficient then using larger heals, not only that the free cure proc is pretty handy. So you can get a high healing rate for very little mana use, the issue comes down to cleric stance cd, which is 5 seconds, in a large mob group 5 secs is enough time to kill a tank.

[RickXRolled]

Would you prefer i let the tank drop to 40% hp before healing? Spamming Cure 1 is more MP efficient then using larger heals, not only that the free cure proc is pretty handy. So you can get a high healing rate for very little mana use, the issue comes down to cleric stance cd, which is 5 seconds, in a large mob group 5 secs is enough time to kill a tank.

I feel like I should record a mass pull in expert as healer and show how to keep the tank alive and still dps. Maybe then people will start seeing how to efficiently heal AND dps.

[ScarletDawn]

I feel like I should record a mass pull in expert as healer and show how to keep the tank alive and still dps. Maybe then people will start seeing how to efficiently heal AND dps.

Show us all hows its done then, cause clearly we are all scrubs and must learn from a Pro.

[Lament]

Would you prefer i let the tank drop to 40% hp before healing? Spamming Cure 1 is more MP efficient then using larger heals, not only that the free cure proc is pretty handy. So you can get a high healing rate for very little mana use, the issue comes down to cleric stance cd, which is 5 seconds, in a large mob group 5 secs is enough time to kill a tank.

Actually, yes. You should, optimally, work with the tank's entire HP pool. You only need to use Cure when your HoTs aren't enough. Regen is more mana efficient. In most situations it's perfectly fine to let the tank drop to 40% before healing, toss a couple of heals until they're topped, Cleric Stance and go back to DPS.

Even in huge pulls, as WHM, you can Stoneskin the tank and start the pull with Regen(+Asylum)+Cleric Stance+Swiftcast+Holy(+Assize+Presence of Mind)+Aero3, you've just stunned every mob in the pack for 3 seconds plus delivered massive burst AoE damage and probably got the tank back up to nearly full from any damage sustained before you got there. Holy is your strongest mitigation tool in a pack of mobs. You can then cast it two more times for a total of 6 seconds of the tank not taking -any- damage. That covers your 5 seconds of recast on cleric stance, and only then do you usually need to switch to dedicated healing. Shroud of Saints will take care of MP management and aggro management in one go.

This happens very often if the tank is undergeared for the instance, Furthermore if they are trying to pull more mobs then they can handle. Giving you no room to do anything else but spam constant heals.

Good luck doing that with an i160-170 tank, that pulls 10 mobs at a time.

No one should be holding you accountable for bad tanking. If you don't have a window to DPS, you don't have a window to DPS, end of story.

[ScarletDawn]

The amount of tanks that do not know how to click off regen while its still on before they pull is insane, then suddenly i get blamed for having regen up on them...i never regen before a pull ofc, but sometimes groups die faster then then 20 seconds regen is active, so it remains up.


I macros divine seal + regen then pop PoM on large group pulls, spam Assize every time its off cd, and help with Aero 3 since its easier then spamming holy which takes a while to cast and burns alot of mp. Spamming holy got a major nerf and sometimes is not worth it.

[Lament]

The amount of tanks that do not know how to click off regen while its still on before they pull is insane, then suddenly i get blamed for having regen up on them...i never regen before a pull ofc, but sometimes groups die faster then then 20 seconds regen is active, so it remains up.

I macros divine seal + regen then pop PoM on large group pulls, spam Assize every time its off cd, and help with Aero 3 since its easier then spamming holy which takes a while to cast and burns alot of mp. Spamming holy got a major nerf and sometimes is not worth it.

Holy is still efficient the first 3 times it's cast as long as the targets are vulnerable to stun, which most trash mobs are. As long as you got the first Holy off you can safely cast it at least two more times at zero risk to the tank and still have a second left to switch out of CS+Tetra or Bene if necessary. The only time Holy isn't worth it is when you're low on mana to begin with. If your mana pool is close to full, use it. It's equivalent to 3-6 seconds of invincibility - the damage on it is a bonus.

Again, you shouldn't be held accountable for bad tanking. If the tank rushes in while you're in the middle of casting Stoneskin or while they still have a HoT ticking and then blame you for taking aggro, that's on them, not you. Most tanks I've seen can just grab the rest of the pack off of you, though, especially if you're running in to Holy.

[Whiteroom]

Would you prefer i let the tank drop to 40% hp before healing? Spamming Cure 1 is more MP efficient then using larger heals, not only that the free cure proc is pretty handy. So you can get a high healing rate for very little mana use, the issue comes down to cleric stance cd, which is 5 seconds, in a large mob group 5 secs is enough time to kill a tank.

Do you not prep for dps? This may be why you find it hard. You should always have at least regen on them when you go to cleric. For example the first pull in St. Mociannes, all the way to the barrier. Divine Seal, Regen, Asylum, top up tank, Cleric, Swift-Holy-Aero III-Assiez-Holy as many times as allowed-Cleric-Tetra-Shroud-Cure II.

Mana effiecency only matters when you don't have enough PIE. At least as far as pure healing goes, there is no skill or secret to spamming cure for cure II procs. This mana efficency is the most basic kind. If you can spen MP, not steal hate, and get it all back, go for it.

Also, you realize Holy is a stun right. Usually with the above cast chain I see one hit on the tank between the first holy and third holy.

[ScarletDawn]

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Sure i could do this, but its optional, not mandatory..my role is healer, which is to make sure no one dies and everyone is kept healthy..this game has been forcing this stupid mentality of healers MUST dps because of the dps checks...um no DPS just need to get better if we cant meet dps checks then its the DPS not doing their job properly...

With the poor Acc on healer gear we add like what 200-300 more dps? Why cant those dps optimize their rotations to get that extra? Why should i be forced to dps because the DPS are lazy and slacking or not fully doing their job? Im doing my job 100% because my job is to heal the group, not to assist in DPS...

I do not see a Healer/Dps flag when i que for duties.