Out of Combat Uses for Abilities Please (e.g. Vase Off and Shukuchi)

[Purrfectstorm]

I thought I was being clever by trying to use Shukuchi to teleport past the guards but then I received the "GATE Failed" message. I think this is super lame. I'd feel a lot better about having a marginal ability if I could put it to some non-combat use (like for a puzzle such as a GATE). I realize that this would put some classes at a disadvantage, but each class could have some ability like this (DRG jump to get to a hard to reach sightseeing log location, for example).

Instead, SE restricts player creativity, and I think this is a bad thing. What NIN wouldn't get excited to realize that Shukuchi makes Vase Off (the most annoying of all the GATEs, imo) a little easier/faster? I'm not talking about something game-breaking here. I'm talking about making unfun things a little more interesting because players can handle them in creative ways.

It's not the end of the world if we can make a GATE go a little faster by circumventing a guard with an ability. We can already jump up on the railing to get around them or we can just wait for them to turn or move. Heck, even being able to sneak past all of the guards with Hide or Stealth would be fine considering movement speed is reduced drastically (Sure, you would always beat the guards, but it would take you 2x as long).

I find something like this annoying because it doesn't make any sense.

[MagiusNecros]

Shukuchi is just a dash sadly. Be happy you can choose where you want to go instead of the BLM or DRK who need a party member or target to use their immediate mobility option. These are also dashs. There is no such thing as a true teleport or jumping attack. Even the various jumps are essentially dashs. Only true jump is Dragonfire Dive which immediately makes the target your location.

I was hoping the reticule could warp me past what is classified as an obstacle ergo land on top of buildings but you just get stopped by said building. So what is demonstrated in a cutscene and even in scripted job quests is unachievable in a real battle.

[FallenArisen0990]

That would be OP and unfair to the other classes. I'm glad the game doesn't allow this.

[B0YRaNmA]

First time trying it and it failed, tells me there are rules and limit to what you can do. I tried using crystals to teleport and jumping off ledges. In the end though...all you need is patience, you have like...12 min to try and the whole thing takes about 2-3min to finish. Sometime you just gotta take the route with the lowest number of guards, which sometimes include back tracking...Vase Off is one of the easiest Gate to do.

Edit: Kept reading over and over to see what I missed and I'm getting mix feelings from what the OP is saying cause the title suggest that the person just want out of combat abilities...which I'm all for. However, OP used Gate as an example to vent, but...shouldn't out of combat be used just for Aesthetic and nothing more? Out combat abilities should serves no purpose other than for show.

[Kallera]

If shukuchi 's dash can be seen by everyone anyway, Then why is the smokebomb used?

[MagiusNecros]

Just part of the animation. Aesthetic only. Enemies/NPC's still know you are there. So in essence pointless.

[Kallera]

Just part of the animation. Aesthetic only. Enemies/NPC's still know you are there. So in essence pointless.

Then why use a smokebomb if its pointless?

[MagiusNecros]

Then why use the smokebomb?

To avoid that AoE you could already avoid by moving out of it. Or a distance closer if there is some mechanic that requires you to be a certain distance away and you aren't expending all your TP on sprint for some reason. I rarely ever need to use Shukuchi. For anything.

[Kallera]

To avoid that AoE you could already avoid by moving out of it. Or a distance closer if there is some mechanic that requires you to be a certain distance away and you aren't expending all your TP on sprint for some reason. I rarely ever need to use Shukuchi. For anything.

You are dodging the question(which could've been done with shukuchi)

If shukuchi's use of a smokebomb to obscure the ninja is worthless to the point of others being able to see you while "invisible", why use the smokebomb?

Why is the smokebomb used if its use has no meaning in or out of the game?

WHAT DOES THE NINJA GAIN BY THROWING IT TO THE GROUND?!

[MagiusNecros]

You are dodging the question(which could've been done with shukuchi)

If shukuchi's use of a smokebomb to obscure the ninja is worthless to the point of others being able to see you while "invisible", why use the smokebomb?

Why is the smokebomb used if its use has no meaning in or out of the game?

WHAT DOES THE NINJA GAIN BY THROWING IT TO THE GROUND?!

It makes you look cool? I dunno.