The harp is a lie.

[NoctisUmbra]

Indeed they are.

In all seriousness though, it seems to me there are far fewer people excited about bow-harp than questioning it. I'm glad you're excited, but I don't think you're the majority.

Ah, you see the funny thing about that is people against an idea tend to be far more vocal about their opinions than people who support it. The same thing has been seen even in these forums many times in the past.

Being that there exists so much evidence to suggest that Archer will indeed be getting Bard, anyone who is excited will simply smile and wait. People who find it disagreeable or disappointing will however vent their feelings.

I won't presume to say there are more people supporting the Barcher. I also won't presume to say there are more people against it.

[Travesty]

I won't presume to say there are more people supporting the Barcher. I also won't presume to say there are more people against it.

Eh, I will. The reaction is pretty lopsided. And people who like an idea tend to come out in support of it amid significant criticism. Not many are doing that.

[Ferth]

I would wager that the people who refuse to accept that it is a harp are mostly of the same disposition as I am... I really, really don't want to believe they've tried to join two disparate items into one in such an awkward manner either.

[Travesty]

I would wager that the people who refuse to accept that it is a harp are mostly of the same disposition as I am... I really, really don't want to believe they've tried to join two disparate items into one in such an awkward manner either.

Agreed.

At first I just thought it didn't look much like a harp. Now I feel the same way you do.

[NoctisUmbra]

I would wager that the people who refuse to accept that it is a harp are mostly of the same disposition as I am... I really, really don't want to believe they've tried to join two disparate items into one in such an awkward manner either.

Yep. Pretty much what I meant by denial a few pages back.

One thing I think we can agree on though is that if they are going to do this they better do it right. I won't accept a half-assed mash-up of an instrument and a weapon.

The thing about trying something new/different is that most people will cry out against it at first. In the end though, the execution of that idea is what will ultimately determine its success.

By being excited for Barcher, I also harbor a good many expectations. I suppose in the end the whole "harp is a lie" debate was more of a debate of hope vs doubt.

[Anonymoose]

By being excited for Barcher, I also harbor a good many expectations. I suppose in the end the whole "harp is a lie" debate was more of a debate of hope vs doubt.[/COLOR]

Ditto. I'm moving this over because I think it fits the direction this conversation has gone on, as well. If they do this wrong, it'll be a clusterf**k, but there is a chance it'll be done effectively so that Archer has more responsibilities than just "Don't take hate" and actually gets the minstrel into some combat as opposed to playing a job as simple as casting songs that, unless they want you to pull, can be botted without anybody even noticing.

Both jobs needed some more shit to do, imho. Anyway -

Hypothetical Endgame Battle:

Battle starts, barcher knocks an arrow, but casts haste buffs because he's not an idiot that needs to be told that his attacks take hate way too godsdamned fast to be doing any damage yet. While the other members use their haste to get their first round of true buffs in place... - barcher knocks another arrow. Waits.

The party is ready, barcher hits the attack and accuracy songs, and the tank calls that hate is secure - barcher EXPLODES out of the gate with three arrows to the mobs back and starts building TP while the rest of the party begins the grind.

Repeat?

[Tsuga]

The idea of a bow that bends, folds or moves in any way counter to it's primary function as a bow almost seems sacrilegious to me. And it would have to be designed extremely well before I'd be willing to accept it.

I'm fairly certain that compound bows can fold.

http://www.archeryhistory.com/recurves/recurves.htm

There are a few more traditional bows that can fold on that page.

In regards to the thread/OP, I don't see what all of the fuss is about. More ridiculous things have been done in this game all ready (totem pole magitek armors, gun-halberds, Lalafell-staches).

[AceofRains]

I'm fairly certain that compound bows can fold.

http://www.archeryhistory.com/recurves/recurves.htm

There are a few more traditional bows that can fold on that page.

In regards to the thread/OP, I don't see what all of the fuss is about. More ridiculous things have been done in this game all ready (totem pole magitek armors, gun-halberds, Lalafell-staches).

Yeah dude, anyone who ever favored archery as their main weapon (not only in ffxiv) probably know that some bows are collapsible.

[Ferth]

Compound bows just refer to bows that are made of more than one material. Some can fold... but never in use, and never while strung.

There is one bow in that link that I saw that folds, (the browning folding bow) and alot that can be taken apart.

The idea of a bow that folds into something else is silly for several reasons. The first being it wouldnt ever be able to fold while strung, and the act of stringing and unstringing a bow is not something you can really do quickly and over and over again.

The structural integrity is also something to consider... that harp won't have any flexion, that bow would really have the effective range of a bow half it's size... which is awful.

And mainly the sheer extra weight would be arduous at best. Long bows and Recurve bows have a draw strength usually around 100 pounds. Having to draw 100 pounds of weight while holding that harp up is not going to be an easy thing to do.

Bows work because of the tension they hold... being able to fold it up or change it into something else while it's strung is just not going to happen, and trying to design something around that premise just seems feeble.

Blah, blah, fantasy, make believe--no!... Just, no.

[AceofRains]

Compound bows just refer to bows that are made of more than one material. Some can fold... but never in use, and never while strung.

There is one bow in that link that I saw that folds, (the browning folding bow) and alot that can be taken apart.

The idea of a bow that folds into something else is silly for several reasons. The first being it wouldnt ever be able to fold while strung, and the act of stringing and unstringing a bow is not something you can really do quickly and over and over again.

The structural integrity is also something to consider... that harp won't have any flexion, that bow would really have the effective range of a bow half it's size... which is awful.

And mainly the sheer extra weight would be arduous at best. Long bows and Recurve bows have a draw strength usually around 100 pounds. Having to draw 100 pounds of weight while holding that harp up is not going to be an easy thing to do.

Bows work because of the tension they hold... being able to fold it up or change it into something else while it's strung is just not going to happen, and trying to design something around that premise just seems feeble.

Blah, blah, fantasy, make believe--no!... Just, no.

D: then what do you suggest it is huh???