[GM] Please take notice. Make statement on housing.

[Brian_]

Just reposting a reddit comment that I thought explained this pretty well --

"They keep things like this in the grey area of the rules so that they can trust the players better judgement. In other words, its like parsers while technically against the rules they turn a blind eye to those who use them responsibly and only take action when someone is using them for the exact reasons they haven't officially added them (being a dick to people in pugs about their performance)

Buying and selling houses was ok when it was done in the past because they were sold at fair prices and it was giving new players who missed the initial launch of houses a chance to own one... with this shit about people buying houses just to sell them at ridiculous prices something had to be done.

They have to keep matters like this in the grey zone because people online are dicks with absolutely no moral compass and will take advantage anything that isn't "technically" against the rules. If people could stop thinking about what they can or can't do and start thinking about what they should or shouldn't do then we wouldn't have had to have S.E. step in like this."

[Teryaani]

and what are you complaining about me for? selling house plots was never intended, you are not even buying the plot just bribing the person to reliquish it.

Or it's a person trying to recoup some of the cost of the plot before jumping servers. The design was terrible from the start and should have allowed you to skip the 45 day wait and get the 80% back. The design is pretty much terrible in every way.

nothing is stoping you from tearing down the house, reliquishing the land and selling the construction permit.

if you want to transfer servers, just do it. what loss are you eating? You shouldn't need to transfer servers all that much.

My point: Reporting everyone under the sun is going to catch people in it that aren't doing any gougy things or flipping houses. For example, people that want to recoup some of the cost before transferring. Especially those of us on low pop servers that want to transfer to see more activity.

Your answer: (paraphrasing): So what? Deal with it

--Edit: clarify

bribery aka plot reselling was idiotic from the get go. gill can be regained easy and you ahain can always sell the permit.

why do people need to be bribed to open a plot up? you gotta buy it from the game anyway.

And get change back of what you spent. I would have been more happy had they allowed you to get the 80% at the point of relinquishing the house without the 45 day wait. All this design does is keep those houses unavailable that much longer.

I don't want to see the people buying up tons of houses and flipping them. We agree there. Where we don't agree is that the best strategy is the mass reporting. I want to see action from Square. I want to see Square allow you to get the 80% back at relinquish. I want to see Square actually put their policy in writing and not expect its users to communicate it. I really want to see the changes in 3.3 solve most of the availability problems.

I really want them to get away from the "radio silence" communication policy.

[Andrea]

After reading much of this thread I see many posts here about reporting those selling houses in PF but what about whose who are advertising buying houses in PF? You can't hope to eliminate it completely unless you go after both

Agreed, if those selling are being given warnings those trying to buy should also get warnings

[Azazua_azura]

I honestly don't get this community

What are you recouping? Think of the house plot as bound to you like any gear, you can resell bound gear.

This is what I see it as paying 100k fir someone to covert their items fir materia then sell you said materia to you fir 90k

Buy a house if you gonna use it, there is no real need to sell it to bring Gil over if you just gonna flood the market with useless crap.


I'm not even upset at the housing, it just stupid how this community thinks, a lot of greed and selfishness over virtual good. Let a. Gil sink be a Gil sink, rent pump too much Gil into the economy. Let us remove large chunks if it.


Also nothing is preventing people from suggesting the relinquish plot bad u get 80% back, but again let a Gil sink actually be one.

They only doing the 80% back as courtesy, for those who lost houses due to 45 day reclaim.

This community just ahhhhhhhh.

[Andrea]

I honestly don't get this community.

I honestly do not care if it is against the rules to now sell a house. What I am against is that SE has just quietly decided to change the rules about it.

People have been selling houses for over a year now with no problem but all of a sudden people are getting warnings for it. Do you honestly see no problem at all with that?

There also needs to be middle ground. If people get warnings for selling houses in PF then people should also get warnings trying to buy in PF as well.

[Azazua_azura]

snippy cuty

People shouldn't have been flipping houses to begins with and se well any game company does this

Example ff11 at first casino where "ok" then se added a rule against them no announcement just gave ppl warnings till the fad died out out.

In fact no new rule was actually added, its being cited as disruption of game play which is already a rule.

Like I said this community........ just ahhhhh


And I have no issue with plot buyers also getting warned. Plot reselling SHOULD NOT HSVE BEEN A THING AT ALL.

[Andrea]

Stuff

In all honestly though SE should have seen this coming with the limited spaces available for house compared to how many want one.

And Im all for people getting warnings trying to sell houses if thats what SE wants to do, I just feel even a small announcement on the lodestone would of helped.

Something shouldn't be "ok" for one time and then be against the rules the next. Especially in a game where warnings can lead to all your time and money being wasted.

But yes, the community like every multiplayer game has the mindset of "as long as I get -blank- I don't mind what happens to others."

[Teryaani]

I honestly don't get this community

Trust me, this community makes sense. I understand where even the people I disagree with are coming from. In fact I make even more of a point of trying to understand that.

What are you recouping? Think of the house plot as bound to you like any gear, you can resell bound gear.

Edit: Just re-read and realized that I mis-read. My bad on that.

You're talking about the house deed here and not the plot right? Because right now we can't sell the plot. Or did you mean "can't"?

This is what I see it as paying 100k fir someone to covert their items fir materia then sell you said materia to you fir 90k

So just like the immediate 80% back? I see it like selling the land back to the server.

Buy a house if you gonna use it, there is no real need to sell it to bring Gil over if you just gonna flood the market with useless crap.

Okay. Not sure what this has to do with what I'm saying.

I'm not even upset at the housing, it just stupid how this community thinks, a lot of greed and selfishness over virtual good. Let a. Gil sink be a Gil sink, rent pump too much Gil into the economy. Let us remove large chunks if it.

You're lumping people and blaming the community for what is a bad design. You're a consumer. If the company does something that is ill designed and doesn't work right, you can say so. You should say so. It doesn't diminsh my love for this game one bit to acknowledge that it could do with changes.

One of those things that needs fixing is how they communicate with users. Wouldn't you rather they put this policy out in the forums or on the lodestone?

Also nothing is preventing people from suggesting the relinquish plot bad u get 80% back, but again let a Gil sink actually be one.

They only doing the 80% back as courtesy, for those who lost houses due to 45 day reclaim.

When they should have made it de rigueur. It means that house is off market for 45 days too many. Gil sinks are fine, but design them well.

This community just ahhhhhhhh.

Actually, it's pretty good. I'm okay with disagreements. We all have different goals for this game and features to add, etc.

I honestly do not care if it is against the rules to now sell a house. What I am against is that SE has just quietly decided to change the rules about it.

People have been selling houses for over a year now with no problem but all of a sudden people are getting warnings for it. Do you honestly see no problem at all with that?

There also needs to be middle ground. If people get warnings for selling houses in PF then people should also get warnings trying to buy in PF as well.

Amen to this. If you're going to punish, and punish harshly, a bit of warning would be appropriate.

People shouldn't have been flipping houses to begins with and se well any game company does this

Example ff11 at first casino where "ok" then se added a rule against them no announcement just gave ppl warnings till the fad died out out.

In fact no new rule was actually added, its being cited as disruption of game play which is already a rule.

You just said "any game company" and then cited SE again. While you get inconsistent in game enforcement everywhere, there are mechanisms at other companies to get clarification and appeal. This one doesn't have that.

And I have no issue with plot buyers also getting warned. Plot reselling SHOULD NOT HSVE BEEN A THING AT ALL.

I agree. You know when this should have been answered? Right when they launched personal housing. This was happening on high pop servers when it was just free companies buying. We aren't looking at a problem of not having 20/20 foresight, we're looking at a problem of them having 40/40 hindsight.

[Lexia]

I don't think people have problem with people selling houses for a reasonable amount, "Hey I bought this small house for 5 million so give me 5 million to release it" but that not what people do and going about it where they buy a small house for 5 million and then go "hahaha I was quicker now pay me 10x the price if you want it" that I think most people are upset about and where SE is doing something about it as first post on page 23 explained.

[ExKage]

Where's the answer? Will we get one?