Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[EA9Sol]

Today I ran Leveling roulette and got Haukke Manor. In the party was a another BRD, AST healer and "WAR" tank. I put WAR in quotations marks because en rote to the second boss, healer asks: "Do you know about job quests?" I stop and looked at the party list and the tank was still marauder. The tank said he was going to get it, but I guess his queue popped. lol Anyroad, we move on, but as we where doing a pull, healer says he has to go and leaves. Not wanting this to be a total bust, I jump on party chat saying: No worries I'll get us a new healer" and bam! We got our-selves a new healer. Another AST from one of my many LS. ;3 The rest of the dungeon goes smooth. At the end the tank says he was sorry for the mistakes, but he did a fine job tanking even though he was still MAR.

And before leaving the dungeon told him: "To get the warrior job and never look back!" I even got two comms for it. <3 l love playing with new people. X) Makes running dungeons a lot more fun!

[Eidolon]

so he wanted to do his intended by design job, and have you do your intended by design job, and you have an issue with that? get over it

And the point literally and clearly goes right over your head.

I do not mind either method. I prefer doing the supertank/Solotank method, to increase damage and kill faust faster. However, if a tank is uncomfortable, I am ok doing the 2-tank method.

What you failt to realise, is that my statement was that he failed to communicate anything about it. If someone says "I'd like to do it this way", that is fine.

By design, our job is to tank the mobs and deal damage. Both methods fufill this.

@Eidolon please stop calling ppl idiots when you are implemeting a new or unknown term which only you understand and they don't. Also for everyone else here you failed at doing your job, not him. Supertank??? Oh MT you mean? Then why are you not picking up the adds? Oh you wanted the MT to pick all of the mobs so you could dps? Ah so he DID have to do both your jobs and yet he was called out as an idiot >_> Do you see the irony?

Holy crap. Are you people this incapable?

"I wanted to DPS" no, I wanted to do this effectively. Weather that means me handling faust + adds, or the other tank doing so, is inconsequential. I just want to get the fight done and over with effectively.

My preferred method for fights is supertank. It's a term I see in PF often on Balmung at the very least, but as stated, if you don't understand the jargon - you're free to ask. I dislike people that blindly agree without even questioning it, then cop an attitude of "OH you want me to do both our jobs." No, that was disrespectful and the simple fact that he was so daft as to not ask and then cop this better-than-thou attitude bothered me.

Again. No. I dont' want him to do both our jobs. I even offered before the pull to supertank in one sentence. Do you willfully ignore facts, or do you just enjoy the irony being incapable of reading and comprehending the basics?

[Phoenicia]

When my BLM was a fresh 60 (This is relevant), I saw that a friend had a BLM sitting at the same level as my PLD and asked her if we'd level up together.

As we were going in, she showed me a screenshot of Ley Lines surrounded 4 intersecting fire circles, then her standing way outside of Ley Lines and adding the comment to her friend: "I will never yell at you for standing in AoEs as a BLM again". I laughed and made the comment that "RNG mage changed to I-can't-move Mage". (In case you don't understand the reference, the bulk of lv50 BLM DPS boost was based on firestarter procs prolonging your time in AF3). After that I said: "You think Ley Lines is bad? Wait until you combine it with Enochian!"

So my last comment loaded into the party chat inside the dungeon and the random black mage that was matched with us read it. His reaction was an awesome "Huh? You don't teach me my job!"..... We weren't even talking to him and didn't even know we had another BLM in party. In our defense, I said I was talking with my friend there about BLM mobility and he said: "Oh that's easy, it's just smart planning of swiftcast and procs" (not that he added anything new to a BLM main since 2.2 mind you). We ignored the attitude and I moved on to pull.

Expectations: Seeing as we had 2 BLMs, one I knew is decent enough and the other claimed to be so, I pulled more than I would with your average DF group. Instead of 2 mobs on the first pack, I'm fighting 5 mobs of the first 2 packs. My plan was to establish aggro in Shield Oath, pop Sentinel and move into Sword Oath (that's more mitigation than ShO AND Ramparts together btw) and start burning down things as the 2 BLMs AoE them to oblivion.

Reality: 1 BLM did the proper Fire III > RS> Fire IIx4 > Flare > Convert > Flare > Pot > Flare > Transpose > Fire 3 > Fire II > Flare > Repeat from Transpose. The other BLM however..... went on to spam Freeze. Great granted his "You don't teach me how to play my job" comment.

We did clear the dungeon. The random BLM wasn't TOO bad on bosses, even though my BLM friend who was parsing said, and I quote, "You destroyed us with DPS on that boss". Then I made the remark of "Sword Oath DPS OP" before we moved on to clear the dungeon. Let me tell you that the BLM did NOT get our commendations.

[Moonleg]

Story about MRD tank in Haukke Manor

Haukke Manor opens at level 28. Job quest opens at level 30. What was that healer expecting, exactly?

[KaitlanKela]

Haukke Manor opens at level 28. Job quest opens at level 30. What was that healer expecting, exactly?

In all fairness, the MRD could have been 30 or synched 30, and someone in the party would be able to tell that. I kinda assumed this was the case and OP just didn't explicitly state it. Most of the story wouldn't make sense if it was a level 28/29 MRD

[bounddreamer]

Just to add to what Eidolon was saying, I see the practice of tanking Faust + adds referred to commonly as "supertanking." It's a quick shorthand way to establish en route to Faust who is doing what. And I share Eidolon's frustration with tanks who say "yeah" then don't do it. I've started telling the other tank "I'll tank Faust and Friends, you dps" as I load in and have had good results with that approach. If they want to do it the other way, and say so, I'm good with that too.

[PArcher]

If you didn't ask the other tank if he could tank both Faust abd the adds (or offer to do both yourself), you are at fault. "Supertank" is some bs made up term only you know; expecting another to know what you mean is idiotic on your part.

If you asked me that with no explanation, I'd assume you're asking about MTing, not about tanking everything.
Besides, you should ask it explicitly for your healers so they know what to expect...unless you like falling dead suddenly because you did something they weren't expecting.

[PArcher]

In all fairness, the MRD could have been 30 or synched 30, and someone in the party would be able to tell that. I kinda assumed this was the case and OP just didn't explicitly state it. Most of the story wouldn't make sense if it was a level 28/29 MRD

You'd be surprised. I was in Haukke yesterday and someone asked the 29 THM why he didn't have his job stone on

[Kaurie]

If you didn't ask the other tank if he could tank both Faust abd the adds (or offer to do both yourself), you are at fault. "Supertank" is some bs made up term only you know; expecting another to know what you mean is idiotic on your part.

If you asked me that with no explanation, I'd assume you're asking about MTing, not about tanking everything.
Besides, you should ask it explicitly for your healers so they know what to expect...unless you like falling dead suddenly because you did something they weren't expecting.

Having never heard the term Supertank until moments ago, I find that it's fairly obvious what it means in the context of Faust. That said, if I was unsure, I'd ask. I wouldn't just assume (s)he means tanking normally.

I never understand why people want OT to grab adds away, it's like purposely slowing the run down for no reason and makes healing more difficult (and consequently reduces healer DPS as well as OT DPS).

You'd be surprised. I was in Haukke yesterday and someone asked the 29 THM why he didn't have his job stone on

lol

[bounddreamer]

If you didn't ask the other tank if he could tank both Faust abd the adds (or offer to do both yourself), you are at fault. "Supertank" is some bs made up term only you know; expecting another to know what you mean is idiotic on your part.

It's really not lol. If you've run A1 or A1S to any significant degree you'll have a good chance of encountering this term. And if you don't know it and you're too prideful to ask about an unfamiliar term, and you just run in and pull without clarifying, then you're 100% likelier to cause a wipe because something wasn't understood.