Premades ruining the PvP experience

[Zalestra]

Well whenever I run with flames I always tell them to stay out of spawns too, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I only mentioned that one match because it was /so/ egregious.

[TsundereRemilia]

yep yours.

Flames tend to tunnel because it's fun to do so, and we're notorious for doing so, we're up adder's butt a lot of times because people just tunnel like crazy.

Normally, mael pugs are fun to play against because they're known as the GC to be the most consistent in terms of pugs, but you know, when sodium maximus here comes in, lol.

[TheWaywardWind]

Flames tend to tunnel because it's fun to do so, and we're notorious for doing so, we're up adder's butt a lot of times because people just tunnel like crazy.

Normally, mael pugs are fun to play against because they're known as the GC to be the most consistent in terms of pugs, but you know, when sodium maximus here comes in, lol.

I'm confused, are you referring to me or Miyuki?

[TsundereRemilia]

I'm confused, are you referring to me or Miyuki?

Nah man, why would WE be salty? I mean they're the ones with like a kill order on our heads

[Renewhm]

Well whenever I run with flames I always tell them to stay out of spawns too, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I only mentioned that one match because it was /so/ egregious.

Flames are flames. Couldn't control that fire. Hahah. It was fun, but at least flames are better now. It seems much more obvious playing with storm how much better flames became. Too bad adder mostly sucks now, otherwise this is probably the top data center to play in NA servers

[TheWaywardWind]

Nah man, why would WE be salty? I mean they're the ones with like a kill order on our heads

Ah yeah, I was going to say lol

[ChelsBee]

I mean they're the ones with like a kill order on our heads

That somehow manages to end with them on the ground

[TsundereRemilia]

That somehow manages to end with them on the ground

and that wasn't even like the whole CuC

[Dimitrii]

You act as if one person magically has the ability to make an entire Grand Company go against another for majority of the match. If you seriously believe Tsundere on her own magically was the reason Mael is salty, then I think you need to re-evaluate the blame you're putting on the Flames as a whole, cause it clearly doesn't lie with us; if one person is enough to make you guys salty, then I'd check your own salt levels first.

No I never said any of this. Of course that guy isnt the reason, the majority of the GC as a whole has never heard of him and thus could not care less about what he says on here to be "salty."This saltiness is between the premades not the GCs, most of the ppl in the respective GCs dont know and dont care about any disputes here on this forum. That link was just to show you have some hypocritical ppl over there (pot calling kettle black if you will) and their animosity started much prior to this point (thats why I provided the link to it instead of just the quote so you can see the date). The reason an entire grand company goes against your grand company has already been explained, you just choose to ignore it. I'll repost it for your benefit:

We lose in the first place because either Flames or Adders hit us down to 3rd place, nodes spawn, and then they still continue to hit us. What you want us to leave you alone after you continuously hit us in 3rd place to farm us to get more points? That's not how this works.

Besides, I'm talking about your entire premade which rolls in, which is absolutely true. Tsundere may be salty, but that's nothing compared to the salty wave that rolls in when you guys get mad. Eight players vs One player means eight times the blame lies with you than with her, even if she is still instigating.And before you accuse the Flame premade from doing the same, it rarely ever happens. The "Ultros Clean Up Crew" may be bitter at times but not nearly to the extent you guys are. And I know this because they never lead the entirety of the Immortal Flames to kill people like your premade does.

And you know this how? You don't know anything about what's going on over here anymore than we know about whats going on over there to be frank. No they do not come into the lobby and dictate that we forego trying to win in favor of just farming you guys. The GC isn't a mindless drone and they will not just go along with illogical tactics just to sate people's ire. When we attack you its cause your winning or cause you did something like trying to farm us when we arent even in first to start raising animosity.That is the only way you can convince 16 other people to do something like that. Anyway, you guys are the ones on here posting screenshots of bounty markers over our players, not the otherway round.

[TheWaywardWind]

You constantly assume that the Flames were the ones instigating it first, yet you have no proof of this. You insinuate on here that because he himself was the first one to initiate salty posting on here means that the Flames were the ones in the game itself that started this whole wave of salt, yet you say on here that:

No I never said any of this. Of course that guy isnt the reason, the majority of the GC as a whole has never heard of him and thus could not care less about what he says on here to be "salty."

So you're going to contradictively suggest that the Flames have been acting this way this entire time because of one person who has had no impact on the team as a whole?

Even if you did not outright say it, people have been suggesting that his behavior shown in posts is the key evidence for the so called "spawn camping" that somehow results in the Maelstrom salt train, which just isn't true.

You have no proof that the Flames were the first to initiate this behavior, other than your salty anecdotal evidence. If we're going to take "WELL YOU GUYS WERE REALLY MEAN THIS ONE TIME," as evidence to how the entire GC has behaved the entire time, then we might as well not bother at all because it's very clear that this kind of reasoning isn't going to amount to anything good. If you bring me actual, solid proof that the Flames were the first ones to initiate this, that they were the first ones to shit all over the Maelstrom without any justifiable reason, and not, "Well this one person said this from a few posts back, so it must be true!" I would be more inclined to believe you. But justifying salty play over one guy and actions (who you JUST stated most people don't pay any mind to anyway), I ain't buying that shit for ten minutes.

As I stated before, I don't give a damn about the Maelstrom. Majority of the Immortal Flames do not give a damn about the Maelstrom. Stop trying to insinuate that fighting occurs simply because "THE FLAMES DID IT." If you're going to play like a rolling wave of salt, at least own up to it and stop trying to be a bunch of babies and claim "retaliation."

If you guys want to latch onto a couple of posts from several months ago as an excuse to act severely salty in-game, be my guest, (because it very clearly is not pushing you in third place thing, which you have no proof we started) but when people call you out on here, nobody should act surprised.