I got to give you people credit.

[AskaRay]

"Body is enveloped in a light-bending veil of water, allowing use of actions normally requiring the Hidden status."

Some folks will question the meaning behind "Hidden status", but Februs said that the descriptions are well documented and are on a tight leash. If that's the case, then Suiton would actually tell us about it's hidden effect, not make us guess it.

I do agree it should say in the skill itself, but the fact is they do tell you ingame that Suiton lets you use hidden skills, just in a...very inconvenient way.

[Februs]

Februs said that the descriptions are well documented and are on a tight leash. If that's the case, then Suiton would actually tell us about it's hidden effect, not make us guess it.

I was actually referring to online information when I made that comment.

You can Google: "FFXIV (insert job name here) Rotation" and you'll find a guide here, on gamefaqs, or reddit, or somewhere. Sometimes they even come with helpful images and flow charts so you know exactly what you're doing and be able to identify the moves by appearance. There is no doubt that the Dps rotations have been fully documented and on a tight leash. If we're referring to in-game descriptions, though... then there's still no doubt that they are documented, just not as well.

"Allowing the use of actions normally requiring the Hidden Status" seems pretty straight forward to me. It lets you use moves that you otherwise couldn't use unless "Hidden." I completely agree that buff descriptions should be included in the move's tool-kip that provides them, but it's really not SE's fault if you chose not to read the whole thing. Honestly, anyone looking to maximize their role (on any job) should be exploring all of their moves, their descriptions, and any buffs they provide. Besides, they're not difficult to figure out in the first place. You just need to use the move on a training dummy once to see what it does. After that, it's just a matter of practicing the rotation for optimal Dps. There is no guess work to Dps if you're willing to actually look things up, in-game or otherwise.

[Jim_Berry]

*SNIP*

But, we were originally referring to the description of an ability, not the actual tip in the icon. And personally, I can't base it off a Dummy, because the Dummy don't move. I need to be able to learn how to get a LOT of damage in while being mobile. On a Dummy, even if the target ring is pointed at me, Trick Attack still function as intended. Follow me?

[Knahli]

To those who main a DPS since day one, I salute you. Coming from other MMOs where I was either a main healer or main support, I decided to be a DPS this time.

When I sit and think about how much work I have to put in... how much I have to stress keeping damage up, it's a LOT of work. One false move can sometimes knock you down on the dps charts.

I always thought this about healers. I have no idea how people manage such a responsibility and know what skills to use next. I'll never level one.

[Jim_Berry]

I do agree it should say in the skill itself, but the fact is they do tell you ingame that Suiton lets you use hidden skills, just in a...very inconvenient way.

What if someone thinks "Hidden" refers to being behind the mob because it can't see you? lol...

[Dyvid]

I agree!

Also, the thing that bothers me is people's expectations on Faust. People shouted at me for stepping on Faust's flank. I told them it was for higher potency for Armor Crush. They yelled say to stay behind him at all times. Then, we had a MNK getting yelled at for the same thing. When Faust died after three wipes, we won because me, the DRG, and the MNK went back to doing positionals.

Now, there's another argument there; the tank said if we can't kill Faust without positionals, we suck as DPS. The MNK said, "lets see u tank faust without your cds". We never got to fight Oppressor because the MNK and WAR argued for 20 minutes, then the SCH bailed, followed slowly by everyone else.

Honestly I don't Savage anything and not really sure why they said to not dps on his flank, sounds odd to me. As for back story the alpha testers wanted positional added back into the game so that's why it's part of the core design. Not sure what people mean when they say more mechanically complex.

As for your hidden debate, when you use Hide the status icon displays Hidden. All Rogues/Ninjas should know this since they have been using Hide > Sneak Attack since level 22. In fact the Lv. 25 Quest tells you how to hide then use sneak attack from the front. The game does a good job at tell people how to play the job, the problem is most people couldn't have bother to listen.

[AskaRay]

What if someone thinks "Hidden" refers to being behind the mob because it can't see you? lol...

I wish I had their innocence, then, pfft