Every time I decide to play Ast, I find a thread that destroys my enthusiasm.

[BunnyHop]

I what.......this post is one of the problems when it comes to AST, becuase this post is full of utter rubbish.

Benefic is cheaper than physick or cure and heals for the same amount. If you think AST spells are too expensive then lord help WHM/SCH with their spell cost.

All healing skills of AST are cheaper than their WHM/SCH direct counterpart.

Luminiferous Aether gives exactly the same mana back as Shroud of Saints, can be extended by 5 secs by Celestial Opposition and then you also have the ewer card. So it does have a skill to get mana back, its unlocked at a significantly lower level then Shroud of Saints and how the hell have you missed one of the key abilities AST has whilst playing it?

AST has exactly the same problem when it dies as SCH and WHM do. No healers come back to life with more mana than the others. All three healers have to wait until their mana restore skills are back or have promoted bishop/mana song to get mana back.

This is the type of rubbish post that does AST no good. Not one of these things is true in the slightest. Learn AST better.

First of all, I am new to this job.

Secondly: The spell tip for "Luminiferous Aether" wasn't clear to me. I never knew that "Refresh" meant gaining mana back.
I always used this skill whenever I knew that there is lots of healing incoming, or whenever I have to dps. So long story short, I used it for the enmity solely.

And for me it seemed like managing my mana is a lot easier when I died and got ressed on my WHM. But again, mainly because I didn't know what Refresh meant up until this point.


Last but not least, calm down your tits a bit. Your hostile tone is very negative and it doesn't help me post my own opinion at all.

You seem to have a gross misunderstanding of how AST works, so I'll break things down a bit for you.

My responses are in red

What I said above, applies to you too...

About the Benefic part: I mostly end up using too much mana by using Benefic 2 the most because the tanks seem to eat up too much damage nowadays.



But thank you both for being so hostile though. It sure encourages people to post their own pov on the class.
You both seem to have missed that I enjoy this class the most and it is my main currently.

[AskaRay]

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What you can do with MP management is use LA at 80% or so, by the time the effect wears off you'll be in a good spot. Then just keep using it whenever it isn't on cooldown. You'll rarely run out of MP that way.

Benefic is still useful, since even if you have to chain cast it to keep a tank alive, the chance to proc the no-cast Bene II can help a lot with yoyo tanks.

To be fair they were a bit harsh but their advice is sound.

[BunnyHop]

What you can do with MP management is use LA at 80% or so, by the time the effect wears off you'll be in a good spot. Then just keep using it whenever it isn't on cooldown. You'll rarely run out of MP that way.

Benefic is still useful, since even if you have to chain cast it to keep a tank alive, the chance to proc the no-cast Bene II can help a lot with yoyo tanks.

To be fair they were a bit harsh but their advice is sound.

Thank you for the tip, I will do that from now on.

[DarkmoonVael]

First of all, I am new to this job.

Secondly: The spell tip for "Luminiferous Aether" wasn't clear to me. I never knew that "Refresh" meant gaining mana back.
I always used this skill whenever I knew that there is lots of healing incoming, or whenever I have to dps. So long story short, I used it for the enmity solely.

And for me it seemed like managing my mana is a lot easier when I died and got ressed on my WHM. But again, mainly because I didn't know what Refresh meant up until this point.


Last but not least, calm down your tits a bit. Your hostile tone is very negative and it doesn't help me post my own opinion at all.




What I said above, applies to you too...

About the Benefic part: I mostly end up using too much mana by using Benefic 2 the most because the tanks seem to eat up too much damage nowadays.



But thank you both for being so hostile though. It sure encourages people to post their own pov on the class.
You both seem to have missed that I enjoy this class the most and it is my main currently.

Opinions are subjective, facts are objective.

When a pov on a class is based on nothing but misunderstandings on a class and passing them off as facts, thene expect people to call you out on them.

There is a distinct difference between these 2 statements: "i seem to have issue with AST mana" (subjective) and "AST doesnt have any skills to get mana back, except the ewer card which is too random, and the buff it gives too small" (trying to be objective, but catagorically untrue).

People reactions are based on passing off false information as facts.

Little bit of research goes a long way, especially in a thread where the OP is unsure about AST and needs FACTS to be correct. Research...it takes all of 2 mins.

What you can do with MP management is use LA at 80% or so, by the time the effect wears off you'll be in a good spot. Then just keep using it whenever it isn't on cooldown. You'll rarely run out of MP that way.

Benefic is still useful, since even if you have to chain cast it to keep a tank alive, the chance to proc the no-cast Bene II can help a lot with yoyo tanks.

To be fair they were a bit harsh but their advice is sound.

Dont forget that celestial opposition can extend LA by 5 secs, so you can hold off LA usageage sligtly longer in most content. Raids tend to have set times you will be needing to use LA anyway.

[BunnyHop]

People reactions are based on passing off false information as facts.

I started the "complaints" part of my comment with "My Complaints" and "In my opinion". So I gave my own pov and where I had issues with this class.

It still doesnt give you a good reason to be hostile...


Lastly, what research does need to be done if I already understood Refresh as something that had to do with Enmity reducement??

I understood Benefic and Benefic 2 as Cure and Cure 2 and didn't research it any further. Same applies for LA, I thought that it had only to do with Enmity and didn't research.

Little bit of research goes a long way, especially in a thread where the OP is unsure about AST

I already said that this is my favourite class and I am enjoying every bits of it. I also said that I am determined to make this class work.

Isn't it obvious from those statements already that this class is more than worth to try??

[TatoRazzino]

Lastly, what research does need to be done if I already understood Refresh as something that had to do with Enmity reducement??

Just hold on... you have been playing AST for a while, you never looked for any guides on the job and you didn't notice your MP going up faster when you used Luminiferous Aether? I mean...

[BunnyHop]

I think the bad rap that AST got was in the beginning, because back then it WAS bad. Spells were just plain weaker, things like Disable were a joke (seriously, I'm going to predict when an enemy is about to cast something and then hit Disable first like a mind reader!?). All base heals are the same as WHM now, plus you can play in Noc if you want to do shielding (which is how I prefer to play. I enter an instance with another AST and immediately pop into Noc before they can lol). LA is a bit weird in that from what I understand it only reduces new enemity generation, not existing the way the WHM one does, forget if it's Shroud or Divine Seal, haven't played my WHM in awhile. My suggestion if you're having MP issues is when you draw a Ewer card, Spread it and hold onto it just in case for that extra. It also helps to put Ether potions on your hotbar just in case. At first I did have MP issues with AST but they are non-existent now.

Biggest tip I have for you is don't take this forum too too seriously. It's great if you have a specific question you want answered (like what does Refresh mean), but in terms of play style and so on everyone is different and as mentioned, most are referring to Savage content where the smallest things matter.

Remember too you can boost LA with your cards! When you get a Spear that's the best time to pop that on yourself and then LA, or if you have Enhanced or Extended royal roaded and then pop Spear and then LA, it will speed up when you can do LA again big time. You can even pop Celestial Opposition once you have LA up to extend it by 5 seconds more which is something like 1000 more MP for free! I try to always pop a Spear before LA or Collective Unconscious just to get it up quicker. It's the one thing I miss playing SCH, I always want to use a Spear card before popping Aetherflow before remembering there's no way to speed it up lol.

Btw I have 2 bunnies, Mr Worldwide and Hoppity Rabbits are the best!!!!

Aww I love you <3 Thank you for the tip mate and the positive post. I appreciate it

And yes, rabbits are the best. I have 3 in real life <3

Just hold on... you have been playing AST for a while, you never looked for any guides on the job and you didn't notice your MP going up faster when you used Luminiferous Aether? I mean...

No I haven't. Because I am self thought. I like to learn things by doing it myself instead off reading up guides.

Different people, different way of learning and there is nothing wrong with that!

[TatoRazzino]

No I haven't. Because I am self thought. I like to learn things by doing it myself instead off reading up guides.

Different people, different way of learning and there is nothing wrong with that!

There's nothing wrong with that. However, there is something wrong with you not noticing your MP going faster when you use LA and you not noticing that Refresh is an MP/TP thing when the tooltips for the Ewer and the Spire also say that the cards add a refresh effect, just like LA. If you're not going to read up guides, at least read up the Actions and Traits menu.

[416to305]

There's nothing wrong with that. However, there is something wrong with you not noticing your MP going faster when you use LA and you not noticing that Refresh is an MP/TP thing when the tooltips for the Ewer and the Spire also say that the cards add a refresh effect, just like LA. If you're not going to read up guides, at least read up the Actions and Traits menu.

Hardly. Stop acting like LA takes you from 0 MP to 100% in 5 seconds or something, because if you pop it while in the middle of battle it's not obvious your MP is going up since you're still using it just as fast as it is being refreshed. Unless your text chat is set to show how much MP you recover, then it's not very obvious.

It's also not obvious that Refresh means it restores MP, and is a big issue with this game as the tool tips give half the info. Like abilities that Stun, Blind, Heavy, obviously I know what they mean but only after using Google, as it doesn't tell you in the tool tip. Even in game help has nothing that explains buffs or debuffs, and I have checked many times. Actions and Traits say nothing about what it does. It doesn't even pop up the green numbers over you like Regen does.

Can I offer you a tip though if you actually want people to take you seriously on here? Please have the game open before posting nonsense or trying to remember what something does. LA says "Additional effect: Refresh" that is all. Ewer says "Refreshes MP of a party member or self." Spire says "Refreshes TP of a party member or self." So by your logic, the person is supposed to know that LA Refreshes MP only, based on the exact same tool tip for Ewer and Spire, yet Spire is for TP?

Bunny, If you apply LA and hover it, it says "Gradually restoring MP while reducing enmity." So remember too that once something is applied, the buff description is sometimes more helpful once it's applied and is often a bit different than just the tool tip.

[Ghishlain]

No I haven't. Because I am self thought. I like to learn things by doing it myself instead off reading up guides.

Different people, different way of learning and there is nothing wrong with that!

It's okay to be wrong as long as you're humble about accepting a correction.

Also, due note that your initial post on this thread was so incredibly incorrect that most average healers would look at it and go "umm... no, that's not right".

You're entitled to your opinion and way of learning, just be aware that you might not always be right and understand why your judgement may be wrong so you can prevent such an error in the future.