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    Quote Originally Posted by MariaNyan View Post
    1. Additional mana means you can replace physicks with the more powerful adlo, also it leaves you more room for errors, for example a resurrection/resummon fairy. Missing an energydrain or two during a4s is going to be really bad for progression, for kill if you're experienced it might be a different case.
    I'm not even going to bother the rest. You don't seem to understand that whatever MP you gained from the extra energy drain hits isn't more than the amount of MP extra spend if you have to patch up on your own share of healing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine View Post
    I'm not even going to bother the rest. You don't seem to understand that whatever MP you gained from the extra energy drain hits isn't more than the amount of MP extra spend if you have to patch up on your own share of healing.
    not healing enough is not an issue of potency nor certian healvalues, but of gcds. you never wipe because your adlo/succor didnt heal enough, you more likely die if you missed one.
    Given fflogs and the posts above you don't seem to appreciate the healerdps nor seem to care about overheal 20-30%, but if you don't want to discuss that its alright.
    The thread is mainly about BIS for a4s and other content, not healing enough is an issue about the player, not the gear itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MariaNyan View Post
    not healing enough is not an issue of potency nor certian healvalues, but of gcds. you never wipe because your adlo/succor didnt heal enough, you more likely die if you missed one.
    Given fflogs and the posts above you don't seem to appreciate the healerdps nor seem to care about overheal 20-30%, but if you don't want to discuss that its alright.
    The thread is mainly about BIS for a4s and other content, not healing enough is an issue about the player, not the gear itself.
    You still don't get it. That healer healed at certain points for a reason and were actually effective. Otherwise it would have been 100% overheal.

    If we were to forget about Scholar healing completely and just assume just the Fairy's 53,100 potency, that's 4672 potency "missing" what the other healer would have been used to. Even if you assume that 3 embraces is good for 2 Cures/Physicks/Benefics, that's still 7-8 GCDs worth that you're stealing away from the other healer. In case of White Mage, that's 1400-1680 potency worth of Stone III/Malefic II or more if those were DoTs. When they're not spend on damage spells instead, but on healing, that's up to 3536 MP more spend by the other healer if you just assume Cure/Benefic/Physick or more if bigger spells are to be used. The only thing accuracy sets do would improve the impression others have of you, only because you seem to do slightly more damage. At the same time you're like a parasite to the other healer. And to an extend to bards/machinists as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LegoTechnic View Post
    As a SCH who can clear a4s I want to come out and say this is just not worth the trouble, but... You know, I really REALLY hate it when Energy Drain misses. It's infuriating, especially when I'm trying to sneak it in after a whirblewind.



    Quote Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine View Post
    You still don't get it. That healer healed at certain points for a reason and were actually effective. Otherwise it would have been 100% overheal.

    If we were to forget about Scholar healing completely and just assume just the Fairy's 53,100 potency, that's 4672 potency "missing" what the other healer would have been used to. Even if you assume that 3 embraces is good for 2 Cures/Physicks/Benefics, that's still 7-8 GCDs worth that you're stealing away from the other healer. In case of White Mage, that's 1400-1680 potency worth of Stone III/Malefic II or more if those were DoTs. When they're not spend on damage spells instead, but on healing, that's up to 3536 MP more spend by the other healer if you just assume Cure/Benefic/Physick or more if bigger spells are to be used. The only thing accuracy sets do would improve the impression others have of you, only because you seem to do slightly more damage. At the same time you're like a parasite to the other healer. And to an extend to bards/machinists as well.
    The point you trying to prove is that the eHps has to be full-filled, which is true, however it doesn't mean that the SCH in your example did the necessary heals.
    Checking FFlogs it shows that the eHps is between 3300-3500, going as low as 2900, showing that the necessary heals that needs to be done can vastly be different.

    The SCH eHps is normally around 1400 (50%). The WHM eHps is around 1800(50%), going as high as 2400. A 8.8% of Mnd decrease would mean a potency loss of 100-150 eHps. Both eHps can go up by 500 up to 1000 from both healers, making a 100-150 eHps change highly possible without sacrifices from only the whmside.

    Also you don't seem to understand that in a4s the whole fight is a dpscheck. If changing accuracy makes your party fail, then your whm has to get gud, contributing dps to the fight is your priority in this fight, making only necessary heals when your co-healer cant handle it alone.
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