Yoshi-P Praise Topic :D

[Aarik]

Haters and trolls come here on the forums to whine about everything because they think their sub money entitles the world to revolve around them. They have no appreciation for what Yoshi does every day for them, they just demand demand demand.

The hundreds of thousands of people enjoying the game and not complaining really shows how amazing a job Yoshi is doing despite the vocal haters. That's why I want to make the positive voices vocal for once :-D.

I love that narrow view you have, there. Are there haters and trolls? Plenty. You know what else there are, that you continuously ignore? Those of us who are worried about where the game is heading, and are trying to prevent a slow decline. Why are we on this thread? Simple, you are encouraging piss-poor behavior into continuing; by making this thread, you are actively saying that doing things like the 3.15 fiasco is perfectly acceptable, and that they can get away with it again and again. On top of that, your statements are inaccurate at best, and clear lies at worst. "making the greatest comeback in gaming history since FFI"? Really? A bit of an over-exaggeration there, buddy. As far as fresh content is concerned, that's heavily debatable; what exactly is new, besides the scenery? Diadem? One massive Hunt-grind in an instanced area. For 90 minutes straight. Void Ark? Interesting to look at, yet it's mechanics are so easy that we completely face-rolled it on the very first try. You'll have to remind me (and MANY others) what Lords of Verminion is again, seeing as how it was dead on arrival. 3.15? Don't even get me started; new looks, same thing. 3.15 was a subscription grab that they claimed took FIVE MONTHS to complete. Dang, that's one slow copy/paste. Raiding more accessible? Erm....last I checked the raiding community had a mass exodus due to how boring and irrelevant the savage content is. Character customization....I can't tell if you're trolling or not. For goodness sake, they didn't even add in friggin scroll-bars for unique looks; it's all pre-made! ALL of it! And so much for being able to choose which horns you want for your Au'Ra. Remember them saying how that would be a thing? Yeah, me too. Housing is a train wreck, and has been since implementation. If you own a house, cool! Too bad for everyone else though, eh? Let's not even get into the famous statement, "Personal houses will differ from free company housing and, naturally, be far more affordable".

You can praise the dev team...but be accurate about it, please! Here's an example; Yoshi and crew, you guys make amazing visuals. Really, the game is absolutely beautiful to look at, as is (most) of the weapons and armor. That was a completely honest statement from me, and it's very true. But PLEASE do not encourage bad/dirty business, as you're only sending a message to the big-wigs upstairs that it's perfectly fine to keep milking the players for everything they have while investing almost nothing back into the game. You think you're helping, but I'm afraid to say you're not. If you want to help, offer one of two things; either constructive criticism with well-founded reasoning, or constructive complements, that are ACCURATE and are things they truly shine at.

Lastly, I'll just leave this here, it's a statement that an old coach of mine told me, and I'll never forget it. It applies to this game very, very well.

"John, (that's my name) I yell at you because I care about you, and I want to see you reach your full potential. The day I stop yelling at you is the day you need to start worrying."

Simply put, the day that this forum stops churning out worried threads, is the day SE and the dev team need to truly worry. We're worried and concerned about the game...for now. But eventually, we'll simply stop caring.

[Shyle]

Completely agree with you 100%. The naysayers have nobody else but to blame if they don't like Diadem. People like myself who aren't locusts remembered this trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkRTO7co_Yc

and used that as a guide on how to enjoy Diadem. I have so much fun relaxing with my FC and friends while we fish, mine, chat, kill a few monsters, and enjoy the beautiful scenery. It's not Yoshi's fault that people are playing it wrong and it is unfortunate that he is going to have to waste his time making changes to it because of screaming locusts.

This post right here... (not to mention all the other's he's posted) just shows me he's probably just a troll. And yet we're all biting at it.. ugh.

[pushin_tin]

I love that narrow view you have, there. Are there haters and trolls? Plenty. You know what else there are, that you continuously ignore? Those of us who are worried about where the game is heading, and are trying to prevent a slow decline. Why are we on this thread? Simple, you are encouraging piss-poor behavior into continuing; by making this thread, you are actively saying that doing things like the 3.15 fiasco is perfectly acceptable, and that they can get away with it again and again. On top of that, your statements are inaccurate at best, and clear lies at worst. "making the greatest comeback in gaming history since FFI"? Really? A bit of an over-exaggeration there, buddy. As far as fresh content is concerned, that's heavily debatable; what exactly is new, besides the scenery? Diadem? One massive Hunt-grind in an instanced area. For 90 minutes straight. Void Ark? Interesting to look at, yet it's mechanics are so easy that we completely face-rolled it on the very first try. You'll have to remind me (and MANY others) what Lords of Verminion is again, seeing as how it was dead on arrival. 3.15? Don't even get me started; new looks, same thing. 3.15 was a subscription grab that they claimed took FIVE MONTHS to complete. Dang, that's one slow copy/paste. Raiding more accessible? Erm....last I checked the raiding community had a mass exodus due to how boring and irrelevant the savage content is. Character customization....I can't tell if you're trolling or not. For goodness sake, they didn't even add in friggin scroll-bars for unique looks; it's all pre-made! ALL of it! And so much for being able to choose which horns you want for your Au'Ra. Remember them saying how that would be a thing? Yeah, me too. Housing is a train wreck, and has been since implementation. If you own a house, cool! Too bad for everyone else though, eh? Let's not even get into the famous statement, "Personal houses will differ from free company housing and, naturally, be far more affordable".

And have you and all the other naysayers stopped and thought that when you spread your doom and gloom on the forums, newbies and other impressionable players see it and may stop playing the game. That's less money going to Yoshi, which means less content for all of us.

I already explained why Diadem is just fine.

Void Ark is one of the most epic raids released yet, and even now I still find it a perfect balance of difficulty and accessibility. Speak for yourself on the facerolling.

LoV is actually really deep and strategic. Again, not Yoshi's fault that players decide to ignore good content and dismiss it because "lolminions".

How can you say raiding is not accessible? Alex normal IS a raid, and to deny this fact is elitist and only further serves to alienate new players from the game. If you can't beat stuff like Alex Savage 3, that's what Alex Normal 3 is there for.

How can you say there isn't much character customization? http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ll-Races%21%29 proves otherwise.

Housing is not a train wreck. Perhaps if players weren't selfish and took turns owning lots, more people would be able to enjoy the content. In a few weeks, I will demolish my house to give others a chance to enjoy this epic part of the game. The naysayers nag Yoshi even though there's an easy solution.

You accuse me of saying harmful things, yet all of your points are nitpicking problems where none really exist. So many people do this and it makes the forums such a dreary place for newbies and people who are on the fence with the game.

[Stormrider]

Threads like this are good (though the OP is a little overenthusiastic and naive about the state of the game), and we could do with more appreciation in among the feedback to show the developers that the time they spend on live letters, fan fests, duty commenced, and all these other events where they try to interact with fans, is worth it. Is Yoshi P the king of all producers? no, but his relationship with the game, and with its fans is something to applaud and appreciate.

I respect your right to feel that these fan interactions are positive. I am sorry I feel that these fan fests and live letters are just publicity stunts and don't serve the community any more at this point. I am happy some people feel that this draws them closer to them. From a lot of live letters I could simply have had a forum post. A better moderation and stickies of current serious issues could clean up some of the forums.

I will not speak for the majority but I know a few people who feel alienated by this practice. They have time and time ignored the pressing issues or at least reoccurring ones. Not to mention the out right lies. A little less interaction and a little more work or lies take your pick. And if they can not get what they say inline with (management) then it is best not to say anything.

Also the person who started this thread not you. Has not played very many other MMOs. The game isn't compared to the last patch. It is compared to every other game on the market.

[Aarik]

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Actually quite the opposite. I've noticed that the majority of players are at the very least, relatively new (typically middle of 2.0 cycle, though quite a few just joined on heavensward). Furthermore, very few players, not to mention new players, ever peruse this forum. In case you haven't noticed, forums for games have universally been used to voice concerns/complaints with trolls thrown in. Also, you need to get this in your head; the money DOES NOT go to Yoshi. It goes to SE. And SE does not re-invest said money into FFXIV in either case, which is one of our complaints.

Secondly, your explanation for diadem is quite frankly laughable. Mine, fish, and kill monsters with your FC mates? Guess what....you can do that ANYWHERE! ANYTIME! That's just a poor excuse to prop up a poorly implemented system. And scenery? You mean that enormous dust-storm that is in your face 90% of the time? Yep, that's totally beautiful.

Void Ark...explain to me, aside from the looks, how it is "One of the most epic raids released yet". LoA and WoD actually correctly utilized multi-party raids correctly; having each party complete a separate task to win, requiring working together and in some cases, good timing. Void Ark does not do this. There are no bosses that separate you into different arenas (atomos), no instances (cerberus' stomach), and no teamwork other than drag boss x here. Void Ark's mechanics? If mobs spawn, kill. If AoE pops, dodge. Giant, slow, super-obvious insta-kill move? Don't be there. Maybe I'm missing something, but I'm failing to see the challenge.

I will admit, LoV is very deep and strategic. But there's a small problem. This game is neither of these, with the sole exception of savage raids (for strategic only). When you build a game as Yoshi has, which is to cater to the casual player, as he has stated many, MANY times, it means that content is, frankly, easy and grindy. Grindy is par the course for MMOs, so cool, but everything except savage and the new ex primals can be done without even needing to pay attention (unless you're MT, then you pay at least a little attention). With this being said, guess what? A deep, strategic game turned into a "spam as many little minions until you win" game. And sorry, in this case it IS Yoshi's fault; you cannot make an MMO that caters to easy-mode and then expect something that SHOULD have used strategy to go over well.

As for raiding, thought you were referring to the savage raids, so I'll just end that there.

You seem to have confused character customization with glamour. Seriously. Character customization is when you are creating your character. Glamour is when you customize your armor and weapon appearance. The two are VERY different, thus ironically, you have proven nothing except that glamour is neat, which I will agree with. The character customization aspect, however, is horrible. You seem to enjoy ignoring parts of my post that you don't like.

Housing....honestly you have me speechless. Took turns owning lots? Are you serious? Few issues here, bud. First off, depending on which lot size you get, you'd be wasting millions of gil every time you swapped. Even if the next player reimbursed you (which is laughable, btw), there's yet another issue; what about the multitude of furniture items than are one-time use? If you take them out of the house, they disappear. They don't go back to your inventory. And typically, that type of furniture is VERY EXPENSIVE. Will you force the next player to reimburse you for that, too? If you don't, you're just throwing away gil for nothing; you might as well not even use those items. Next issue; you seem to be assuming that this is concerning just personal housing, yet what about FC housing? Are you seriously telling a FC to abandon all their hard work so that another player can come in? Even further, what about airships? You know, those things that FCs spend millions of gil and untold hours working on? Those things that you don't get back when you vacate a lot? The hilarious thing about this is that you actually consider this the easy solution. Your argument fell flat as soon as you said this, as there are NUMEROUS aspects that you didn't even bother to consider.

Lastly.... "You accuse me of saying harmful things, yet all of your points are nitpicking problems where none really exist." Oh really? No problems exist? Last post I listed MANY problems that indeed do exist, which you simply decided to completely write off. This post I went into even further detail about why these are indeed problems, and gave logical counterarguments instead of "How can you say....".

I wonder, will you write this post off as "nitpicking problems where none really exist" too?

[Monty1984]

Nit picking aside. Its a great game and by far one of the best MMORPG on the market. The amount of work put in from V.1.0 to this has been incredible. Maybe its not bringing too much originality to the genre but it executes a lot of things in a more fun and polished way and its been a hell of an effort to have turned it into what it is now.

[Reaperking386]

I praise Yoshi P for his hard work in this game as well as his team. They do a lot of stuff for us and it has seem to be swept under the rug in the community. Thank you for all you have done Yoshi.

[Arashmin]

I don't understand all this hate.

Of course the game isn't perfect, and you're absolutely allowed to complain about things you don't like, but why come into a thread that's trying to give recognition to the dev team and go "Man this game sucks so bad". It's not like the dev team does NOTHING, they do work hard (even if it's not to your liking). How is that any better than the """"white knights"""" going into the complaint threads and saying "no everything is great"?? Oh, yeah. It's not.

Well no, it isn't, but if there's shots being lobbied so the lowest commons of us will respond in kind. That's just a given.

That said though, when the things he's praising Yoshi far are... at odds with what a lot of people are currently concerned with, and Yoshi being very selective in what he chooses to hear from the players, I can see how some might even feel it important to rebuttle.

EDIT: AUGH. And that last line of the OP. You know what? Just read that. That pretty much sums that up. This thread deserves whatever may come.

[Aarik]

That said though, when the things he's praising Yoshi far are... at odds with what a lot of people are currently concerned with, and Yoshi being very selective in what he chooses to hear from the players, I can see how some might even feel it important to rebuttle.

EDIT: AUGH. And that last line of the OP. You know what? Just read that. That pretty much sums that up. This thread deserves whatever may come.

^You get it.

On a different note, I'm honestly still on the fence about whether or not the OP is a troll or not. He seems passionate about it, but some of the things he writes just reek of bait.

[Lambdafish]

I am sorry I feel that these fan fests and live letters are just publicity stunts and don't serve the community any more at this point. I am happy some people feel that this draws them closer to them. From a lot of live letters I could simply have had a forum post. A better moderation and stickies of current serious issues could clean up some of the forums.

wow, publicity stunts is a harsh (and incorrect) statement, definitely PR for upcoming content, but calling it a publicity stunt is a bit too far. I want to point you in the direction of the newest live letter, and the opening segment (current state of the game), in which the developers acknowledged most of the vocal feedback from the forums (naturally not all of it, but the first M in MMO is massive, so not everyone is going to be happy), the acknowledged that alex savage was too hard, they acknowledged that diadem was broken, and while I'm not happy with their answer to relic, they at least did their best to explain their design process and philosophy (and to keep you happy, Yoshi even made it a forum post). This statement is made because of player feedback, and if anything the development team are guilty of listening and taking player feedback too much.

You also have to remember that the dev team isn't immortal, they are stuck under SE upper management, and Yoshi P has hinted at struggles for funding (likely the fault of 1.0, not the current game) and lack of staff, and that's what causes server limitations, and housing problems, and that is why those problems are ignored, because honestly, there's not much to say other than sorry (don't know if you have ever tried to communicate that kind of statement to a mob mentality), and that's not even mentioning the problems of us still being on 1.0s framework.

I'm not defending the OP's posts, but it seems like we can't support the dev team and give feedback at the same time, we either have to hate them, or ignore or the flaws in the game, and neither make for a healthy developer-customer community.