[GM] Please take notice. Make statement on housing.

[Madjames]

Charging for Clears is Ok

Me buying items off of a vendor and relisting them for 1000% higher then what they sell for a vendor and people buying them is legal.

If house selling isn't then they need to make ANYTHING you buy from any vendors in game not legal to sell.

Lastly, I for one WILL NOT ACCEPT any screen shot by anyone. If this is not legal then SE needs to come in here and tell us it isnt and give people such as myself an OPTION to move from one place to another. Right now I am trying to move from Lavender Beds to the mists and I can ONLY do that by selling some houses and buying them from resellers to get my FC and friends all in the same ward. Until SE comes out and gives us the options then this should be legal period. I for one will CONTINUE to do this until it is deemed either on their main page or in THIS POST telling me it is not legal to do anymore.

[ExKage]

Do people really just think that getting a small profit margin is the same thing as price gouging? Just because they were allowed to doesn't mean policies won't be put in place for certain instances that can be seen as extremely disruptive.

To be honest, Azazua I've only seen one instance of 'harassment' towards you and I reported that post. Everything else from what I have seen and recall has been quite civil and nowhere near what one would consider forum bullying. Just because people doubt you does not mean they are accusing you of lying. People disagreeing with you is not bullying or harassment.

give people such as myself an OPTION to move from one place to another. Right now I am trying to move from Lavender Beds to the mists and I can ONLY do that by selling some houses and buying them from resellers to get my FC and friends all in the same ward. Until SE comes out and gives us the options then this should be legal period. I for one will CONTINUE to do this until it is deemed either on their main page or in THIS POST telling me it is not legal to do anymore.

That was told to us in July or so that there will be something similar in place. Should be before Ishgard housing wards.

If you do try and sell and you get a warning because someone reported you and a GM talked to you, please share. Since 12/28/15 I have not seen any PF advertisements for selling houses. I've only seen advertisements for buying.

[Madjames]

Again, I will not consider any action regarding this as not legal to do until SE themselves comes in this post or on their main page telling us it is not legal to do. I will not sit there and scrounge around the internet for GM conversations.

A. They can be doctored. Sorry but I trust no one.

B. Someone may NEVER look at the net for this and not know its not legal. I know a lot people like this (My wife included) who still has to yet hear about any house selling being not legal. I have not told her and she still has no clue yet plays this game everyday.

C. She frequently visits the main website and a post there would make this a concrete decision and anyone who does play will more then likely see it.

D. better yet, Post that it is not legal to do on the startup screen like you do for maintenance.

Until I see one of all of those things, this is a moot point posting random GM conversations in here. Until SE does something like that I will continue with my business to try and move.

[ExKage]

So are you in the market for selling your house? Because if you are, I'd be very willing to help confirm for everyone by making a character on your server in about 9 hours when I get home from work and reporting your PF advertisement for you so you can get a more definitive answer. My report will of course include "User is advertising in PF the sale of their house for in-game gil"

Will that help? That sounds like it will help.

[Lexia]

Charging for Clears is Ok

Me buying items off of a vendor and relisting them for 1000% higher then what they sell for a vendor and people buying them is legal.

If house selling isn't then they need to make ANYTHING you buy from any vendors in game not legal to sell.

That is not really a fair comparison actually not one at all, cause anyone can still get clears just need to find a group or have a FC help you or get lucky in DF. Those vendors items the person can always still go to the vendor and buy them instead of buying off the MB. You can't do that with houses.

[Culfinrandir]

There are people who will not believe it even when a Square Enix official comes in here & confirms it. They well then demand a statement from a Developer. That won't be good enough. It will have to be from Yoshi. They will then claim it was not what he actually meant because it was a translation error. Even when it is stated clearly on the front page of Lodestone they will still decry that it's not explicitly in the Terms of Service therefore isn't actually forbidden.

Sometimes I wonder if they're stubborn, ignorant or suffering from disrealisation disorders.

[Andrea]

Honestly, the only people to blame in this situation are SE themselves. The current housing system was doomed to fail from the start and if people couldn't see that then they are blind.

Player owned housing should of been no where near Free company housing and this is coming from someone with a personal house.

The current system has no happy ending. There will always be someone without a house as things stand currently.

[ArcyEvil]

So are you in the market for selling your house? Because if you are, I'd be very willing to help confirm for everyone by making a character on your server in about 9 hours when I get home from work and reporting your PF advertisement for you so you can get a more definitive answer. My report will of course include "User is advertising in PF the sale of their house for in-game gil"

Will that help? That sounds like it will help.

I feel sorry for u.

[Teryaani]

There are people who will not believe it even when a Square Enix official comes in here & confirms it. They well then demand a statement from a Developer. That won't be good enough. It will have to be from Yoshi. They will then claim it was not what he actually meant because it was a translation error. Even when it is stated clearly on the front page of Lodestone they will still decry that it's not explicitly in the Terms of Service therefore isn't actually forbidden.

Sometimes I wonder if they're stubborn, ignorant or suffering from disrealisation disorders.

Or, like me, they've seen SE's GMs unevenly enforce things. I'm with Madjames on the screenshots. Even if the GM said those words, another GM has said the opposite. This really is not that hard, add it to the ToS and remove the ambiguity because right now it's nowhere official.

[Azazua_azura]

Honestly, the only people to blame in this situation are SE themselves. The current housing system was doomed to fail from the start and if people couldn't see that then they are blind.

Player owned housing should of been no where near Free company housing and this is coming from someone with a personal house.

The current system has no happy ending. There will always be someone without a house as things stand currently.

It wasn't tell feedback from the player wanting everything free company houses had. And this only on ne/ eu server this rare on jp server. Do I blame players for exploiting not the div trying to have something fun.

Or, like me, they've seen SE's GMs unevenly enforce things. I'm with Madjames on the screenshots. Even if the GM said those words, another GM has said the opposite. This really is not that hard, add it to the ToS and remove the ambiguity because right now it's nowhere official.

The gm supervisor in the reddit screenshots stated not all how gm know, they looking to fix it and when reported on it will be under disruption of game play due to how players are now trying to control housing by buying all the free land with dole intent to resell.

I also was in fact able to report a person fir house reselling on the pf. A gm took my report bad investigating it send the pf was no longer up shortly after.

So unless the person sold the plot, they got told to take it down.

And it isn't SE fault Na community is greedy. No one is forcing you to buy housing to resell them no one is forcing you to take bribes to give up ur plot you wanna grove up.

Y'all put too much stock in a video games currency.


My screenshots are not faked either, and I dud try proving they're legit I just forgot echo was under a dig tab, but it was off on the tab. That tab is strictly tells only dye to rmt.


Also if y'all knew hw much of a pain it is to post screen shot on a ps3 on here..it make u reconsider if my ss are fake

First off, I have to upload then in image on load stone copy the thumbnail link go on the forums
Open a post up go to advance, hand fight the image html syntax by hand, post the link and hope it worked.

Sorry but that to me seems like too much work for a silly forum debate. As is faking an image. Remember impersonating an se employee is a ban worthy offence. I like my account intact tyvm