[GM] Please take notice. Make statement on housing.

[Azazua_azura]

Um, how were you able to see a conversation in /tells? Are you roommates?

He is my boyfriend and we live together, be saw me crying over being called a liar and just trying to defend me. He don't visit forums much.


For good reason.

He wouldn't lie for me either. If you wondering why I cried look at me sig and look it up.

[whiskeybravo]

Surprised if it's really against the ToS. People have been buying/selling dead FCs for a long time

[BigRed5392]

Um, how were you able to see a conversation in /tells? Are you roommates?

I'm her boyfriend and we live together.


Aza was trying to be nice and let the yall know what the GM said about the situation. I dont like that people seem to be calling her a lier even with screenshot proof of the conversation with the gm

[ExKage]

He is my boyfriend and we live together, be saw me crying over being called a liar and just trying to defend me. He don't visit forums much.

I apologize and I am sorry that you have felt so strongly about what I've said that you cried. Please, please, please, PLEASE listen when I say that trying to point out how others would not believe you does not and did not mean that I think you lied. What I did was try to point out why -others- would not believe you. For some people you need to whack them with a brick wall and leave no chance for them to say "but!"

These are the types of people who, in a murder court trial, need to see video evidence with no trace of tampering of the person stabbing the victim until they died. These are the people who still say that the GMs read these inquiries and think that the sales are for RMT.

I was not accusing you of being a troll. I was not accusing you of faking the conversation.

I was trying to tell you that for these people they will need rock hard solid proof that the GM policy is "no sales for gil".

[Azazua_azura]

Oh u not making me cry dude, it was more a reference to others.

There is no way fore me to tamper, bad thought I did provided evidence I can't tamper with my screens I don't got a PC and my tablet is a pain to use the pain program on. Heck it was a pain in the ass to even post those screen shot on the forums I have to code the html syntaxes by hand and copy the thumbnail like to post. Not an easy presses on a ps3. If it was a fake I wouldn't even bothered



The reddit post I linked describes why there is a discrepancy with gm its a new thing, and only came up in light of everyone and their alts buying up newly reclaimed property just to sell it 10x the amount.
Which defeated the housing reclaim which was suppose to levitate the housing shortage. It wasn't an issue before, players made it one.

So stop shooting the messenger. Guys, I really saw no reason to harass people or myself just for relaying what was said.

Point blank I didn't fake the convoy, I just turned tells off and had echo off. If I was not trying to rush I would shown the echo was off but wanted to post the blog while it was still fresh.


I'm just trying to help ppl not get ban over this.

According to gm it against the rules, all gm are being told slowly due to it being new apparently, if you get a gm that says no its not chances are they haven't been notified. Not all gm work in an office, some world from home, and not everyone reads their e-mail right away.

[Valkyrie-Amber]

like now at least you can make gil back suddenly get bored with your house wait 45 days and accept the 80% back and not be a prick and sell it.

It was your mistake buying it oh wait I keep forgetting people buy just to sell on limited resources on this and its sick...

It is a 100% exploit that you suddenly hold the houseless fcs hostage cause all plots are sold out and then you can charge whatever you want cause your a prick.

people make me sick the greed of it all.

[Purrfectstorm]

not be a prick
its sick...
exploit
hold the houseless fcs hostage
people make me sick the greed of it all.

That's a lot of catastrophic language for such a short post. I made a long post on a previous page about this so I won't go into it all again but I think you should direct your outrage towards the developers who have not made enough plots to meet the demand, not towards other players, who naturally want to make more money, because "duh, money gets you more stuff." When you and others like you stop caring about having more stuff, then you can start calling other players greedy.

[StouterTaru]

everyone and their alts buying up newly reclaimed property just to sell it 10x the amount.
Which defeated the housing reclaim which was suppose to levitate the housing shortage. It wasn't an issue before, players made it one.

The reclaim was about more than just not enough houses to go around, nobody ever thought it was going to fix that by itself.

Many housing wards were becoming open world ghost towns. Several subdivisions on my server had more than a third of the houses reclaimed. That's after people were given ample warning and a free login weekend to save their house. Left unchecked for another year or two, it would have become a much worse issue. What's the point of a neighborhood with no neighbors, and how long should the servers support legacy dead weight?

The two viable options were making housing instanced, or reclaiming plots. Instanced housing would have upset paying customers, reclaiming upsets non-paying former customers.

[ExKage]

According to this person's support response, the teams are definitely not on the same page.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...nitive_answer/

Yes I posted that reddit link -two- days ago, 8 pages ago. People still do not think it is -100% definitively no sales-.



People want to say this means:
a) No that only means sales involving RMT!
b) Those guys only got it because they were price gouging and selling for huge profit.

But we don't know! Without a screenshot with a GM in sight acknowledging that the sales of land/FC/housing for gil is prohibited, without any way for these people to poke holes into it (not real, GM thought you asked about RMT!) people are still going to think "this can't be true!"

Even with responses that these are all about exchanges not involving in-game gil you get these comments (taken from some reddit threads):
"I don't get how this is such a confusing issue. It's against the ToS if it's being "traded" for real world money. It's not against the ToS if it's being "traded" for in-game Gil."

"Even if the question was asked the exact same way - it may not have been "understood" in the same way."

"I'm getting that the two responses are about slightly different things. The first one seems to be talking about selling a house for gil. I read the second one as though someone were selling a house for real life money. One is ok, the other is very much not so. But that's just how I read them."

"Seems like two different questions were answered. Selling the house in-game? (on left) Go for it. Selling the house (characters, FCs, etc) out of game (RMT)? (on right) nope!"

"So where does it say whether or not it's against the rules? It just says that there's work being done to make sure all GMs are on the same page about what's going on."

"So in short, from this and other threads; Make sure everyone knows what you're selling (plot, if you're including a building permit, etc). Try to make sure you have a text record ensuring the buyer knows they're paying you to relinquish your claim, and that they'll have to pay the system its due after that. Be clear that this is for in-game currency only. Don't buy or sell in bulk. Don't let anyone talk you into grey areas. In other words, basically all the same rules apply for housing as they do for selling clears (with some minor exceptions based on product). Sell safely."

"You need to specify the resale of land for in-game GIL, not actual US dollars. There's a big difference for them."

[Azazua_azura]

@ exkage, thing is, its hard to go to the extremes not all gm can freely appear in the realm and only can do so for short periods players can't enter gm jail with out just cause. Before I jumped back to tonberry, I did make a request to have a gm appear and confirm or deny it. It want un answered for 2 hrs even cited the reason was forum bullying.


@thread

My screen shots were not faked, I'm not the type to do something like that and find it very rude I was harassed to the extent I was, I had contacted the gm service over petty na community df bs, over trying to communicate. I then asked the gm is house reselling was against the rules. The gm said it was against the rules. I Didn't bring up money or Gil. Just the simple act of reselling housing plots.

In no way the gm would assume rmt.

The reddit post I linked was from a letter that was written by a supervisor. Who admitted that it was newly added to the policy, and trying to get all the gm on the same page. And that the policy thru going to use for this is disruption of game play, which I think is a good fit. Better then me saying harassment.

It is pretty disruptive for a player with multiple accounts with multiple alts, or a free company of players with multiple alts to more or less own an entire housing ward and resell it for Gil, forcing players to pay 2-3 times. Doing so does go against the spirit of the game and this system.

Honestly speaking if you buy a house keep it. You have a house, to upgrade, and only buy it if your going to use it. If you don't want the house anymore either wait the 45 days or just demolish it, there is no need to make players pay 2-3 times for a single game feature.

There is no such thing game wise for plots to be sold between players, players buy them from the game. You can sell the permit though. That is ok and even possible via the market board.

If you want some money back, instead of begging be bribed to relinquish it, just sell the permit.


Also please stop saying house reselling helps players out, it doesn't all it is, is greedy people begging fir bribes making other players pat twice for a game feature.

This is like if a healer tosses up a pf for content and charges a the party 100k per cure.