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  1. #51
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    Gilraen's Avatar
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    Gilraen Bior
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    Midgardsormr
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    Anima is what lit a fire under me to finish my Relic (left off at the first light farm) JUST so I could trade it in to skip the aggravating 'atma' farm. I tried farming atma for Relic before they 'nerfed' the drop rate... no, not doing that again. Never again. You may say a Relic isn't worth 18 'atma', but I'm not spending months on end farming those stupid things (took me three months to get 3 atma... 3 months... I didn't get the rest until after the 'nerf'). So yeah, I think it was a total steal spending a week to power from Novus to Zeta just to turn it in for the Anima.
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  2. #52
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    myahele's Avatar
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    Tonrak Totorak
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    Gilgamesh
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    i suppose it's worth it, especially if you did the relic questline post nerfs.

    You're dealing with RNG, so who knows how long FATE farming will take till you get 18 stones? It took me a minimum of 20 hrs (I'm sure it's a few hours more than that) to get 18.

    Other's may have gotten theirs faster or slower.
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  3. #53
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    Ravnika Starweaver
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arashmin View Post
    I think a lot of people thought that this stage would be a true continuation of the relic, not a brand new one.
    I don't know why anyone would think that when it was expressly said that "No, this would not be any kind of continuation of your 2.X relic and is a brand new one." If you still believed it would be a continuation after being told it wouldn't be, I don't know what to say.
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  4. #54
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    Arashmin Footstubber
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    When was that? Only ever heard that approaching into 3.15, and a search on 'relic continuation ffxiv' seems to show an (albeit older quote) saying it could be either or (and is .5 of a patch later than anticipated... if they had been planning that long, 10 months, why is it at all this? The deeper we dig, the more confusing it gets...).

    And if going by in-game sources, the only time you find that out is going into the first steps of the relic. So it's not expressly expressed at all prior.

    EDIT: It even kinda hints otherwise with the Starforger stuff. Seems like a missed opportunity, that.
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    Last edited by Arashmin; 12-29-2015 at 05:01 PM.

  5. #55
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    FoxyAreku's Avatar
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    Areku Foxfire
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    Hyperion
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    Quote Originally Posted by melisande View Post
    No, i shouldn't be 'grateful' i got a 'boost' that some people can complete in a day. My Zeta did not take me a day or 18 atma to complete.
    This was the one item that had a good progression line.
    Let me put things in perspective.
    The Zeta when it first came out, to finish, took month(s). Upon expansion, it was useless, until now, its only value is to skip grinding 18 atma in the next phase of its progression, something that can be done in a day or two. Some people have already collected them all.
    So let's say the next expansion comes out, your relic that you completed in 3.x is rendered useless for several months until they come out with a new progression for it. For all that you had done to complete your relic in 3.x, you are rewarded to bypass a step that takes only a couple of days.
    I'm sorry but the math simply just doesn't add up. 860+ days subscriber here, and this is such a slap in the face.
    I don't even mind the new grind. It's simply the devaluing of my Zeta that infuriates me.
    Okay?

    I guess I just don't care because I came from WoW. You would spend like a year trying to get a legendary weapon in that game, then the instant the next expansion came it was replaced by a dungeon drop.
    Since this game takes a lot from WoW, you honestly really should be happy you got anything. If it were up to me, it would have been good for nothing but glamour.

    Also-anima crystals suck a lot more than you give them credit. Everyone I talk to is taking hours to even get one of them.
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  6. #56
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    Felis's Avatar
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    Skadi Felis
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    Ragnarok
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    Quote Originally Posted by PheonixCain View Post
    hahaha a lot of my frds have sentimental issue with their zeta, they ended up fate grinding the first step instead of trade-in and skip

    but think about it, we will never ever use that zeta again tho, and the replica only costs 90 gils......
    But you need the Zeta to buy all the replicas. Can't buy it anymore if you give up the Zeta.
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  7. #57
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arashmin View Post
    When was that? Only ever heard that approaching into 3.15, and a search on 'relic continuation ffxiv' seems to show an (albeit older quote) saying it could be either or (and is .5 of a patch later than anticipated... if they had been planning that long, 10 months, why is it at all this? The deeper we dig, the more confusing it gets...).

    And if going by in-game sources, the only time you find that out is going into the first steps of the relic. So it's not expressly expressed at all prior.

    EDIT: It even kinda hints otherwise with the Starforger stuff. Seems like a missed opportunity, that.
    Since the announcement of a new relic questline in 3.0 Yoshida said that it will be not required to have a Zeta to start the new relic questline.
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  8. #58
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    l---------------l's Avatar
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    I'''''l I'''''l
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    Arcanist Lv 70
    Your zeta is only worth 18 atmas.

    My three zeta are only worth 18 x 3 atmas. (What? was lazy to do math... Okay... I'll do it... (8 x 3) = 24 + (3 x 10) = 30 ===== 54!.... I think... I'll get the phone and its calculator, wait, no, phone only exists for whatsucks, I'll reinstall calculator in PC.)
    My 6 nexus are worth nothing and my 3 novus the same.

    Yesh....... Our gear will always become worthless and outdated with incoming patches, even the costly relic.


    I guess I really hate when they laugh at our time spent like that just because want to appeal new players.
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    Last edited by l---------------l; 12-29-2015 at 08:40 PM.
    OLD signature is OLD... Meh, too nostalgic to change anyways.


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  9. #59
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    RyuRoots's Avatar
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    N'rhuna Veraan
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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxyAreku View Post
    Okay?

    I guess I just don't care because I came from WoW. You would spend like a year trying to get a legendary weapon in that game, then the instant the next expansion came it was replaced by a dungeon drop.
    Since this game takes a lot from WoW, you honestly really should be happy you got anything. If it were up to me, it would have been good for nothing but glamour.

    Also-anima crystals suck a lot more than you give them credit. Everyone I talk to is taking hours to even get one of them.
    But this isn't WoW and it's not up to you, so that doesn't really count for anything. "Uhh well it's better than Wow" is a stupid argument because it's an argument that can't stand alone in FFXIV discussion. As for the new atmas, I got Forelands' crystals in 3 fates. RNG is RNG, and these crystals mean nothing.
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  10. #60
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    Alahra Valkhir
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    Balmung
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arashmin View Post
    When was that?
    It was first mentioned sometime during the 2.5 patch series, if I remember right, when we started getting more Heavensward info. It was all but guaranteed that it wouldn't be directly connected to it once we learned the three new jobs wouldn't have Zodiac weapons, to be honest, though (which was at some event before 2.5, even).

    Even without that, it was reasonable to assume it wouldn't be a direct continuation because it would be massively daunting to any new comers to the game in the expansion, and FFXIV is, at its core, a vertical progression treadmill based on WoW's foundation. Such games always "reset" each expansion.

    I do think, however, that they could have had a "best of both worlds" approach. Instead of gathering Astral/Umbral nodes, the first step probably should have been acquiring a suitable "vessel" for the weapon (sort of like the original 2.0 Relic step of getting the i55 weapon with the two Materia). A Zeta could have served as the base for those that finished the quest, which would have felt better emotionally then essentially converting the weapon into Materia (the NPC even uses the same animation ;_; ).
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    Last edited by Alahra; 12-29-2015 at 10:48 PM.

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