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  1. #21
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    Tank main in 2.0 swapped to DPS in 3.0 (Did Fcob as DPS too) here (Because people can't dps to save their lives in Bis EX and Ravana EX). DPS aren't hard at all. It's all scripted dance.
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    Waliel Hla
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    If you want to go that way, I could say tanking isn't hard at all. All you do is stand still and pop a cooldown, if you feel like it. Or that all healers need to do is to heal the person whose HP bar is shortest.

    It's kind of a non-argument, really.
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    Judy Hopps
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waliel View Post
    If you want to go that way, I could say tanking isn't hard at all. All you do is stand still and pop a cooldown, if you feel like it. Or that all healers need to do is to heal the person whose HP bar is shortest.

    It's kind of a non-argument, really.
    This, pretty much. Tanking and Healing may be more stressful but that doesn't mean those jobs are difficult, especially in this game.
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  4. #24
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    I never said tanking is hard. It's laughably easy too, actually.

    Now you saying healer is easy, that's just plain wrong. Healer got it hardest in this game, then again I don't really expect you to believe it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mosaicex View Post
    I never said tanking is hard. It's laughably easy too, actually.

    Now you saying healer is easy, that's just plain wrong. Healer got it hardest in this game, then again I don't really expect you to believe it.
    Normally yes, but some fights it comes more based to DPS/Tank and their checks. A3S does that number on you when healers got it pretty easy to keep people alive. DPS/Tank have to execute their actions correctly on time during add/final mechanics and any DPS/Tank not out putting their max dps as much as possible can come close to raging it before even getting the chance to kill it. In other words, everyone's got it pretty even. It isn't always the healer that has it the hardest in the whole game.
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    Last edited by Undeadfire; 12-29-2015 at 06:47 AM.

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    The hardest role is the healer, because if you just healing and not dpsing, then you're a bad healer. 14K hp warrior in st Arboretum doing big pulls, dpses who feel ashamed dodging aoes, it's really struggling to keep them alive but in the end, I am still labeled a bad healer by everyone because I don't dps. My advice is, just ignore them, if you get kicked, you can always requeue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Undeadfire View Post
    Normally yes, but some fights it comes more based to DPS/Tank and their checks. A3S does that number on you when healers got it pretty easy to keep people alive. DPS/Tank have to execute their actions correctly on time during add/final mechanics and any DPS/Tank not out putting their max dps as much as possible can come close to raging it before even getting the chance to kill it. In other words, everyone's got it pretty even. It isn't always the healer that has it the hardest in the whole game.
    A3s is easy to heal?... if you do 0 dps with 2 healers maybe with tanks in tankstance. And a4s...whoever made that, that guy hates healers and is a sadist....
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    I don't really see how it's super hard healing through massive aoe damage. It's the same thing as Turn 13 smashing you hard and that fight was hell easy.

    Whm can solo heal Phase 1/2/3 pretty easily. Sch can jump in time to time at about the end of phase 2 and Add phase Teathers. After that I still don't see how it's harder on a healer side compared to the DPS trying to fully optimal while syncing to rough mechanics. No one can make mistakes in the fight. You can easily beat A3s with Tank stances being up most of the time for MT.
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    Last edited by Undeadfire; 12-29-2015 at 04:30 PM.
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  9. #29
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    Waliel Hla
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    Quote Originally Posted by mosaicex View Post
    I never said tanking is hard. It's laughably easy too, actually.

    Now you saying healer is easy, that's just plain wrong. Healer got it hardest in this game, then again I don't really expect you to believe it.
    I'm a career healer in other games and was a main SCH in raids while Twintania was still relevant. Healing wasn't really that hard back then and I'm not seeing how it's harder than other roles right now. What can make healing hard, though, is other people failing to do their job, whatever that may be. It usually falls to the healers to clean up the mess when something explodes on your face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waliel View Post
    I'm a career healer in other games and was a main SCH in raids while Twintania was still relevant. Healing wasn't really that hard back then and I'm not seeing how it's harder than other roles right now. What can make healing hard, though, is other people failing to do their job, whatever that may be. It usually falls to the healers to clean up the mess when something explodes on your face.
    This x100.
    Healing can be the hardest job because it's entirely dependent on your party, more so than the other two roles. With a good party it can be relaxing and adding DPS becomes intuitive, a bad party however and it's like an impossible game of whack-a-mole.

    Tanks vs DPS is entirely fight dependant, despite the arrogance of some tanks it can be face roll easy in some fights. I got this lesson loud and clear back when Titan HM was a thing and a decent group had Darklight gear. I'd spent ages learning the fight on BLM and it was tough going but decided to try PLD. I was amazed to learn that all I had to do was follow the simple 1-2-3 rotation and pop a cooldown after every Landslide for Mountain Buster, in the meantime everyone else was doing the riverdance and desperately trying not to insta die whilst fullfilling their roles. Was a real eye opener at the time but there is the flip side too, following a simple AoE rotation is much easier than trying to super tank a speed run so it just depends on the situation and fight.

    I think the reason DPS have this reputation as easy is simply because there are more of them in group content compared to other roles, if you have one poor DPS in VA then the others can carry them easily, even in 4 man content one good DPS can carry a bad one but a bad tank or healer leads to problems.
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    Last edited by Artemiz; 12-29-2015 at 08:18 PM.

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