Primal data center flames have the absolute worst players o have ever encountered in PvP. Most 72 man games they die over 70 times, and cannot ever win engagements. Its truly sad to be apart of. I suggest if you ever try PvP, don't be a flame you will just not even want to play it. Lucky for me I'll have my horse and can leave in 4 wins, which will probably take 50 games to get.