Yoshi - Players who "Like" Challenges would ALSO like to obtain a Relic Weapon

[Sax]

I think the point is that there is no middle ground. You have savage, or grinding outdated mind-numbing content. Like the OP suggested, I think adding in some extra options that didn't just cater to the lowest common denominator would be a great idea for the 200>210 stage of the Anima weapons. Sync'd coil and ARR ex primals? Great! Using Ravana or Bismarck tokens for an item just like Alex? Great! I don't know why people would be against this. It's not like adding another option to the grind that wasn't Beast Tribe or Alex would hinder your own progress or force you into content you found too difficult. It really wouldn't affect you at all, and it would breathe life back into some of the more interesting content.

EDIT: Also, what's with the comparisons to FFXI relic weapons. Two completely different kettles of fish. The massive grind (that most people didn't actually do until Dynamis was overhauled and it became infinitely easier) for a weapon that lasted years should not be compared to the grind in FFXIV where gear becomes outdated every 3 months or so. It's like comparing an elephant to an orange, pointless.

[WinterLuna]

It would keep everyone happy long enough to get the relic and have the next stage come out...look at 2.0 idk why they think we wanna grind away like mad to get something. I want a story around my relic....not some oh grind till u die...

Still, if they added a new raid and said "run this 800 times" instead of Alexander you'd be bored after a few days. They aren't going to add a full major patches worth of content for the relic, and if they did, I'm sure there would be complaints of it being too easy or too hard. SE can't please everyone.

[Stanelis]

Still, if they added a new raid and said "run this 800 times" instead of Alexander you'd be bored after a few days. They aren't going to add a full major patches worth of content for the relic, and if they did, I'm sure there would be complaints of it being too easy or too hard. SE can't please everyone.

That's exactly why you don't make player run the content 800 times.

Here there are 3 issues with the new relic 1) It is a mindless grind 2) On an obsolete content 3) for something that will become obsolete soon. If they added a new content to make you grind for the relic on, it would solve issue number 2), but not the numbers 1) and 3).

SE can't please everyone.

Except that's SE job to release new content.

[Alberel]

Still, if they added a new raid and said "run this 800 times" instead of Alexander you'd be bored after a few days. They aren't going to add a full major patches worth of content for the relic, and if they did, I'm sure there would be complaints of it being too easy or too hard. SE can't please everyone.

There would have been a lot less complaining if the relic didn't funnel people into six-month old content that the vast majority of players were already burnt out on (Alexander). The quest should have focused more on content that released in 3.1 rather than 3.0.

[Eidolon]

There would have been a lot less complaining if the relic didn't funnel people into six-month old content that the vast majority of players were already burnt out on (Alexander). The quest should have focused more on content that released in 3.1 rather than 3.0.

Sadly, that wouldn't work.

That wouldn't give them anything to rehash at 3.25

[WinterLuna]

That's exactly why you don't make player run the content 800 times.

Here there are 3 issues with the new relic 1) It is a mindless grind 2) On an obsolete content 3) for something that will become obsolete soon. If they added a new content to make you grind for the relic on, it would solve issue number 2), but not the numbers 1) and 3).



Except that's SE job to release new content.

That's a different argument altogether to the one I was responding to. I was responding to the request for new content, not the grind aspect. Also, the relic won't become obsolete soon. It will be upgraded, like the previous relic.

Also, adding new content doesn't mean it's going to please everyone either. Just because they add a new trial or dungeon doesn't mean it's going to be a good one everyone is satisfied with. Plus they will add new content, it just wasn't in this patch.

[karateorangutang]

My problem is this whole approach. You either gotta be a hardcore raider, or a person that has enough time to dip their toes in alot of things. I didn't ever do beastman quests because i play at most 1-2 hours a day. That means that my time on the game is precious and I like to spend that time prepping for raiding. However, that also means that I progress slowly. I'm fine with that, but relic used to be something I could do in conjunction with that. That hardly seems the case with the 210 relic. Granted it's still a speedy way to grab up a 200 weapon without tomes, which is nice. I'll be using it to grab up weps for jobs that I don't primarily play.

I'm not really asking for it to be changed, I'm glad that there are people that enjoy it. I do hate missing out on content though because of it.

[Stanelis]

Also, the relic won't become obsolete soon. It will be upgraded, like the previous relic.

Yeah, with a step as tedious as the previous one to obtain another relic that'll become obsolete too. Guess the carrot on a stick thing is actually working well.

[KaitlanKela]

You know, I'm fine with the length of the grind.

If anything, I wish the grind had more options. They don't even have to be new. Still make them long-term lots of time options, but more variety. Especially the older content. People who subscribed post HW didn't get to play BCoB or CT at all. Or the older modes of PvP.

I also think a time-based, rotating bonus system like Light would help. Keep the queue times down. Ex: Tuesdays, get bonus toward your unidentified items by running Crystal Tower. Suddenly, CT is full, queue times are short, older players aren't farming alex but doing something different, ewer players can see some amazing older content.

I like that there's more variety to the grind: alex/roulettes for tomestones/beast tribes/maps; but most of that stuff is solo and grindy. Why are they not incentivizing the beautiful older content that is fun and interesting and very much dead right now?

[WinterLuna]

Yeah, with a step as tedious as the previous one to obtain another relic that'll become obsolete too. Guess the carrot on a stick thing is actually working well.

Just because you assume a step will be tedious does not mean the relic will become obsolete. You've kind of contradicted yourself there.