Anima Relic. My rantish thoughts (And how I would change it)

[Februs]

Its been almost 1 week, and this was finished yesterday. Thats pretty fast, and I, personally, am about halfway done with mine ... While it took them 1 month to grind out 210 weapons, it took 1 person 1 week to do a relic. So yes, it is early. No one would get esoteric weapons if they could skip it to go to 210 with relic, plain and simple, its part of the treadmill.

Interesting. I'm honestly curious what kind of grind schedule this person worked with, because I have a suspicion that it falls far outside of the average and more into the "I live and breath this game." Regardless, this is still not all that convincing for it being "too early," because it's still not.

This is a bit of splitting hairs here, but, technically, if we're talking the precise amount of time that it took the first Raiders to get their 210 weapons out of Savage, then one week is not actually that far off. You have to remember that the Savage clear groups progressed through 4 Raids in a month, not just 1. The amount of time that averages out to is roughly 1 week per floor of Alex Savage. So, technically, the amount of time they actually spent getting weapons out of A4S is roughly the same as the amount of time that this lovely lalafel spent grinding away on their Anima: 1 Week.

Now, you might argue that the full month should be accounted for, because the gear drops from floors 1-3 were necessary to clear 4. You wouldn't be wrong to point that out, only that's not quite accurate. Firstly, most Raid groups opt for melded accessories over the ones that drop from the first 2 floors of Savage (especially Tanks, since they saw far worse returns out of the Savage accessories. Hence, the supposed upcoming re-spec for Tank attack power scaling). So, accessories are out. Secondly, and more importantly, if we are accounting for the time it takes to fully gear up on armour and accessories, then the time frame is still similar.

A weapon alone will not see someone through A4S (or any of the other floors, for that matter). So getting it "early" isn't an advantage to raiders, because they'd still need to gear up the rest of their pieces. How long do you figure that gearing would take? How long do you think it took that Lalafel to get all those Diadem pieces? Or the Gordian pieces? The point is that if we're going to compare the total time it takes to gear up, then we can't just count up the full time for a Progression Raider and not do the same for the Relic grinder. If we're talking just weapons, then it's roughly the same amount of time. If we're talking full gear top to bottom, then it's still roughly the same amount of time. Given that you still have to grind (albeit faster for some people than others) for that Anima weapon, the 200 weapon acts as a mainstay until you get it. So, unless you're going to just not run savage until you get that weapon, then anyone who raids would have made that investment regardless of how fast they planned on finishing their Anima. It would have been either that, or don't run any Alex S until you finish your relic.

As for casual players who don't raid in Savage, then sure, maybe they might have found it better to skip their Eso weapon for the sake of Anima (assuming they're not quite so casual and are actually closet hardcore and can grind at blitz speeds like your example), but so what? What advantage is a 210 weapon giving a casual player in casual content over the 200 weapon?

[Februs]

I'll leave this here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVGa7HIWyG8


Might be good for a laugh.

This was hilarious XD. Made my night right there lol.

[Nyghtmarerobu]

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Put the raiding aside for a minute and look at how the gear treadmill works. When Savage hit, we had 3 weapons that were at the end of the line. i200/210 Eso weapon, and 210 gordian. To get gordian, its pretty much required to have your i200 eso weapon. This is how it was..

Now for examples sake, lets say relic came out at the same time as savage. It starts at 170 when you first get it. Dungeouns are easy so you breeze right through it in a day, maybe 2 if you don't have alot of time, then you get an i200 weapon. You've just thrown out the esoteric weapon to a lot of people. This does not mean I would not have liked to see them add it earlier, but it goes against their normal MO of doing things. Either way, it still should have came out earlier, just not when savage hit. 3.1 or maybe even a patch before 3.1.

[Februs]

Either way, it still should have came out earlier, just not when savage hit. 3.1 or maybe even a patch before 3.1.

I see what you're saying, and I can agree with it. The problem, I think, comes for competitive stats. People would have still opted for the Eso weapon. For one, you're still making eso's anyway, so you're gonna spend them eventually to gear out alternate jobs. Two, the stat differences between the Relic vs the Eso make the Eso more desirable than the Relic in a lot of cases. Also, it wouldn't be the first time SE went against their MO. Custom stats from Novus/Nexus/Zodiac meant people were outright ignoring weathered/ironworks weapons for progression raiding (especially at the Zodiac phase, where the light grind was much easier).

I do agree, though, that if SE released the items at the same time as Savage, they would have had to modify the grind to match. Drop rates for the Atma phase would have been lower, and there would have likely been a item or light grind involved with the dungeon crawl to try and match the 2 and a bit week grind that it takes to get an Eso weapon, just to even things out a little. The part that would totally justify this is being able to skip a stage with the Zeta trade.

[Imladris]

Kinda not even worth the bother for the 210 weapon, from looks alone. Not sure on the other relic 210s, but the PLD 200 looks better to me, than the 210 version. All that work for a 210, and it doesn't even glow.

It's the HQ section that just kills it for the VAST majority of the player base. Period.

[FunkyBunch]

Crafting portion nerf incoming. At least that's how I read the letter from Yoshi.

[Nyghtmarerobu]

Crafting portion nerf incoming. At least that's how I read the letter from Yoshi.

I read it more as a "We dun goofed guys. But sorry were not gonna change it right now. Look forward to it being better next patch"

[OmegaStrongtan]

My version of Relict would be like this:
Step 1: what is step 2 right now.
Step 2: To awaken your weapon you need to collect items from 3 different 2.x primals. If you do it unsynced drop chance = 5%. If you do in synced drop chance = 100%
Step 2,5: Kill Bismark, Ravana and Thordan. Drop chance: 10% EX Version has a 100% drop rate.
So people can farm it or take the shortcut if they have the skill.
After this your weapon is Ilvl 200.

Step 3: Your weapon has awoken but to master it you have to beat it.
- Special boss you have to fight 1on1 (or with npcs)
- No food/pots usable.
- will have fixed gear/ilvl for this fight.
- battle goes on for 10 minutes
- based on your performance your weapons Itemlevel will be something between 201 or 210.
- you can retry until you have mastered this fight/your weapon.

Positive side effect: once your weapon has ilvl 210 you know your job.