How much does Relic step 3 HQ crafts cost on your server?

[Granyala]

This isnt SE's fault. It's mostly the fault of how greedy western people are.

It's how much western people hate boring grindfests so only a handful of people actually do it and they expect a sizable return on their investment.
I'm trying to level my crafters right now and it is such an unfun slog (leveling mats in timed nodes ... was that really necessary?) that I can't blame any crafter wanting to see something for all those hours they invested into basic grinding that should have no place whatsoever in a subscription based MMO.

If they'd make the leveling of the crafts less daunting there would be more crafters -> more competition -> lower prices and more acceptance of smaller profit margins.

if SE wanted a gilsink with the relic....

It's not meant as a gil sink. It is meant to finally give crafters something they can sell properly, as HW was severely lacking that.

[Blood-Aki]

It's how much western people hate boring grindfests so only a handful of people actually do it and they expect a sizable return on their investment.
I'm trying to level my crafters right now and it is such an unfun slog (leveling mats in timed nodes ... was that really necessary?) that I can't blame any crafter wanting to see something for all those hours they invested into basic grinding that should have no place whatsoever in a subscription based MMO.

If they'd make the leveling of the crafts less daunting there would be more crafters -> more competition -> lower prices and more acceptance of smaller profit margins.


It's not meant as a gil sink. It is meant to finally give crafters something they can sell properly, as HW was severely lacking that.

That's the same tired excuse crafters giive "i want my investment back" when in reality they just want to milk people for as much gill as they can get and since the relic is something a lot of people want they are taking full advantage of it, this isn't a big server vs small server thing because tonberry some mats are hanging around 200-400k.and it's a big server while on levi they are no less then 1 mil, jps simply aren't that greedy. and it shows

[StouterTaru]

That's the same tired excuse crafters giive "i want my investment back" when in reality they just want to milk people for as much gill as they can get and since the relic is something a lot of people want they are taking full advantage of it, this isn't a big server vs small server thing because tonberry some mats are hanging around 200-400k.and it's a big server while on levi they are no less then 1 mil, jps simply aren't that greedy. and it shows

Or they realize that they don't need to buy the items on day 1 when they won't be turning them in until day 20.

Or they have FC members/friends that will do the craft if they can round up the mats.

Or there are enough gatherers on their servers that the materials weren't driven through the roof by speculators.

I would blow up the MB price of the items myself, but I have no use for the gil and other things to do with my time beside crank out 20 of them per hour.

[Leonus]

I'm trying to level my crafters right now and it is such an unfun slog (leveling mats in timed nodes ... was that really necessary?) that I can't blame any crafter wanting to see something for all those hours they invested into basic grinding that should have no place whatsoever in a subscription based MMO.

Most western players want instant gratification and things to be easy, this mindset is ruining MMOs in general.

If they'd make the leveling of the crafts less daunting there would be more crafters -> more competition -> lower prices and more acceptance of smaller profit margins.

Or people could actually see how much something costs to make and not charge 5-10 times more to "make a profit". People would be more apt to buy things at that point because things don't cost ludicrous amounts of money. We all know crafters charge several times the amount something actually costs. You are right in that if there were more crafters prices may go down, also at that point, most people wouldn't even need other crafters.

It's not meant as a gil sink. It is meant to finally give crafters something they can sell properly, as HW was severely lacking that.

Crafters aren't even selling this properly, these kinds of items should never be gated behind crafters. Ever.